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Tarekith wrote:Detailed midi editing, transform functions, parabolic and logarithmic automation or midi curves, mp3 export, intergrated CD burning, cutting and pasting of midi notes, etc.

you're right...I am a piece of work...
if I was making ringtones in GM midi... I would work with logic....
As I said....I use wavelab too so cd burning and mp3 export are pretty useless to me...or to anyone using a full blown audio editor after they mix...
and why in heck does one want to cut and paste midi When you can delete and draw (ctrl+b)...or play...
I agree that live has some 'deficiencies'
I'm not saying that live is perfect... but it's getting there...the only thing that bothers me is the time signature change... and seriously all those other features are pretty lame between you and me...

I don't know about other people here, but for me the biggest strenth of Logic combined with Live is the NOTATION of Logic combines with the audio of Live. No one can convince me that having flexible and functional notation within a DAW is a trivial matter. Most other DAWs ignore the need to communicate with living musicians entirely and focus just on recording, while Logic allows for the seamless integration of scored ideas and recorded audio. Live, very smartly IMHO doesn't even try to go there, which is why it is so effiicient. But Logic can, and this is so much easieir than trying to go back and forth between Finale or Sibelius and your DAW, which I did for years until I shelled out for Logic. But Live still keeps the priviledged spot for pure audio composition in my studio...

Since the comparison chart between Logic and Logic Express got posted....

And it's probably a little late in the post for anybody to take in, but the main reason I mentioned the differences is that a lot of people (myself formerly included) think that Logic Express is like a toy just one peg above Garageband, but it's not. It still has most of the great features of the Pro version and you shouldn't feel like you have to drop $1,000 to get a lot of use out of it.

In fact that might even hold back some sales with such a huge price gap. I personally know people who went with a completely different program because they felt $1,000 is too much and that Express must be garbage if it's so much cheaper.

Also when a lot of people say $1,000 is too much it's the fact that they don't have that much to spend, not just that they feel it's an over inflated price tag.

I recently bought Logic, first also thought $1000 was expensive but now I find it cheap Logic Pro is all in, from very good VI's, very good inserts to mastering plugins. It has a steap learning curve though
Live is great for what it's name says: live PA and as 'sketchpad' for new ideas.
my 2cts...

musick wrote:I recently bought Logic, first also thought $1000 was expensive but now I find it cheap Logic Pro is all in, from very good VI's, very good inserts to mastering plugins. It has a steap learning curve though
Live is great for what it's name says: live PA and as 'sketchpad' for new ideas.
my 2cts...

I totally agree. Live is an amazing sketch pad and practice tool. For any musician, I believe it's a necessary tool.

For anyone thinking about getting LogicPro:

Buy Logic Express, then upgrade to Pro. LogicPro requires a dongle. Sometimes it's nice to have express and not have to bring along the dongle (out of fear of losing it).

If you buy LogicPro directly, you don't get Express. So use the upgrade route and get both. They can happily reside together in your Applications Folder.

Note: Don't buy the cheap academic version (these are all over ebay). It doesn't allow you to upgrade to the next 'major' version of Logic.

3dot... wrote: if I was making ringtones in GM midi... I would work with logic....
As I said....I use wavelab too so cd burning and mp3 export are pretty useless to me...or to anyone using a full blown audio editor after they mix...

I am fully convinced you have 47 chromosomes.

thelocalhost wrote:

3dot... wrote: if I was making ringtones in GM midi... I would work with logic....
As I said....I use wavelab too so cd burning and mp3 export are pretty useless to me...or to anyone using a full blown audio editor after they mix...

I am fully convinced you have 47 chromosomes.

your mother...
Go spend money you suckas...
I'm gonna go make money ....
see you around....

The effects and Sculpture were the only reason I kept Logic as long as I did. The EXS library plays real nice in Sampler and I have all the same effects in Soundtrack Pro if I need them. Space Designer is still my favorite reverb in the world. Logic is just such a bear to work in after being in Live for so long. If you *need* musical notation and complex MIDI then Logic is probably the nicest of the legacy DAWs to have around. The dongle is annoying and Ultrabeat had potential to be really badass but its UI sucked the fat one. Garageband actually does some really cool stuff (musical notation, decent fx, awesome for podcasting), even if it is a CPU whore. If you don't need the higher end fx or Sculpture then Express is a good tool. My 2 cents.