Ableton lost another potential customer

[pulsoc]

Sometimes it seems like you could float in the fanboyism on this forum.

Everyone give yourself a reacharound for defending your special program!

Thanks for bringing the thread back to reality Nebs and co.

You da man!

[eyeknow]

one good thing about reading this thread from where I left off is to stop laughing!

[davec1]

the OP's point has it's truth, though....


what the heck is so difficult about implementing program change?!!!!


Also, there may be lots of fancy workarounds for many of the world's problems.....yet the simplest solutions are usually best.

a square might be called a workaroud for a wheel, for instance. yet I love wheels and expect a car to have them when I buy it....

[darkcatt]

I need to automate outboard gear so i can focus on LIVE PERFORMANCE instead of stomping on midi footswitches so all patch changes can happen on outboard gear during songs......I'm talking at least 2 per song for vocals and at least three per song for guitar. And that's not including everything that needs to automated for lights.

What a joke. I really liked everything I saw about live in terms of interface, processor efficiency and more, but when I did a search for the words "program change" -- one of the most basic units of midi automation -- and saw it only appeared in the manual THREE TIMES I knew something was wrong.

So long story short, Live is actually very handicapped when it comes to automating gear for a live performance thanks to a very handicapped implementation of midi.....sorry, one patch change per midi clip and only at the beginning of clip aint gonna cut it....and that fact that it doesn't import patch changes or import anything beyond midi notes and velocities.....well that pretty much speaks for itself. Really want to like it, but until Ableton adds industry standard midi implementation.....I'm out.

are you just mad? and if you are stuck on hardware then you are going to get very lonely in a few more years, as well as be a dinosaur hanging on a dead era. Don't get me wrong, my ASR10 and MPC2000 will always have a sweet spot with me.
ALTHOUGH~
VST's and soft are taking over and there is little that soft, with a good controler, can't do that hardware can.

Even more sad is that you go to an Ableton forum to slam ableton. No Daw is all inclusive, and no DAW is perfect. However why don't you ask one of your precious pieces of hardware to do everything that Live can do with its functionality. Oh I forgot thats why you need software. Live never claimed to be all inclusive so you need to use it for what it is worth. Run it with cubase/ logic or the likes there of and you have an amazing demon to command to do your musical bidding.

Sorry had to vent!

[michkhol]

I really liked everything I saw about live in terms of ... processor efficiency and more,

he? are you kidding? live has the worst performance ever!

Cannot agree, DP is worse

[john gordon]

I need to automate outboard gear so i can focus on LIVE PERFORMANCE instead of stomping on midi footswitches so all patch changes can happen on outboard gear during songs......I'm talking at least 2 per song for vocals and at least three per song for guitar. And that's not including everything that needs to automated for lights.

What a joke. I really liked everything I saw about live in terms of interface, processor efficiency and more, but when I did a search for the words "program change" -- one of the most basic units of midi automation -- and saw it only appeared in the manual THREE TIMES I knew something was wrong.

So long story short, Live is actually very handicapped when it comes to automating gear for a live performance thanks to a very handicapped implementation of midi.....sorry, one patch change per midi clip and only at the beginning of clip aint gonna cut it....and that fact that it doesn't import patch changes or import anything beyond midi notes and velocities.....well that pretty much speaks for itself. Really want to like it, but until Ableton adds industry standard midi implementation.....I'm out.

are you just mad? and if you are stuck on hardware then you are going to get very lonely in a few more years, as well as be a dinosaur hanging on a dead era. Don't get me wrong, my ASR10 and MPC2000 will always have a sweet spot with me.
ALTHOUGH~
VST's and soft are taking over and there is little that soft, with a good controler, can't do that hardware can.

Even more sad is that you go to an Ableton forum to slam ableton. No Daw is all inclusive, and no DAW is perfect. However why don't you ask one of your precious pieces of hardware to do everything that Live can do with its functionality. Oh I forgot thats why you need software. Live never claimed to be all inclusive so you need to use it for what it is worth. Run it with cubase/ logic or the likes there of and you have an amazing demon to command to do your musical bidding.

Sorry had to vent!

your wrong here.most people i know who are serious about production are getting back into hardware and ditching software.i think music making with software will be gone by early next year.

[franknputer]

i think music making with software will be gone by early next year.

[nebulae]

i think music making with software will be gone by early next year.

I don't know why you're laughing...I decided to sell Live for this:


It has a lot more "punch" and "warmth" than Live (total piece of shit software).

[elektrovert]

Live should support GM though.

I never questioned that myself, because I haven't tried using Live for MIDI yet.


the Abe's should get onto that for sure.

[elektrovert]

Even more sad is that you go to an Ableton forum to slam ableton. No Daw is all inclusive, and no DAW is perfect. However why don't you ask one of your precious pieces of hardware to do everything that Live can do with its functionality. Oh I forgot thats why you need software. Live never claimed to be all inclusive so you need to use it for what it is worth. Run it with cubase/ logic or the likes there of and you have an amazing demon to command to do your musical bidding.

Sorry had to vent!

do you not think it's a valid point though?


GM is an industry standard, a very useful one too.
Every other major sequencer out there supports it, Live should too.
it's to everyone's benefit.

[Tone Deft]

Live should support GM though.

They did and released a rack for that, or you can do it yourself.



[rant]
The OP is quick to dismiss something he has no idea about, not a good way to go through life. Tied with the ego that his sale means anything to the bottom line, get over yourself.
[/rant]

[leisuremuffin]

i think music making with software will be gone by early next year.

Shit, that's what i was saying back when it first started hitting. Then I heard/saw DJ Olive play a show with a funny little app called "live" ....


the world has changed, brah.



.lm.

[darkcatt]

aside from program changes it can do alot with GM. Also if you run a VST like bandstand, it will react to GM.

[/quote]john gordon wrote:
i think music making with software will be gone by early next year.

um hardware needs software, unless you are using some old analog synth ther eis an OS. Warmth is in the programming, samples and effects that you use. Technically warmth is distortion, like how a tube distorts the sound for a guitar in an old Marshall guitar head. Personally i like a timber free sound. Then I can distort it with effects. An old trick is to loop channles through an old tube preamp.

[sparklepuff]

Live should support GM though.

They did and released a rack for that, or you can do it yourself.



[rant]
The OP is quick to dismiss something he has no idea about, not a good way to go through life. Tied with the ego that his sale means anything to the bottom line, get over yourself.
[/rant]

Help me out. What's an OP? Online Pharmacy? Optimus Prime?

edit: nevermind.

[kb420]

your wrong here.most people i know who are serious about production are getting back into hardware and ditching software.i think music making with software will be gone by early next year.

John, I know you are joking, and it is very funny.