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part of my reasons for selling logic is that live give me more pleasure. I use it, I make music, and it's not that uber "pretend studio" look but I get things done!

I've just decided that I'm in over my head and that I want to master one thing at a time.......

Tone Deft wrote:Personally, I'd rather become a black belt at Live than a blue belt at Live, Logic, Reason and Pro Fools. Kind of the same reasons I'm trying to use Live's built in instruments rather than sorting through the dozens of freewares and paid for plug-ins I own.

Live isn't a 'deep' program. I would argue that anyone with a basic audio/midi background can become a 'black belt' in a short amount of time. I think this is the appeal of Live.

It's not deep like logic, but it's gotten pretty sophisticated.....

I've been using live for a few years and in it's original format.....it was easy.....and remained that way for a long time.

But I recently I've noticed that 6 (and even a bit of 5) introduced things that I either didn't know about or I guess maybe care about.

I think both programs together make an AWESOME combination. Each one addresses the other one's weaknesses. So its kind of a win/win thing

I use Logic and PT in the studio.


DP + Live at home.


When...and if...Logic 8 is ever released I'll cut the check especially if those rumors pan out of L8 being much easier to learn than it's predecessors. Personally I hate mixing in Live. I know others are mixing without complaint, but for me session view is such a creativity killer when putting together a great mix.


I'd rather use DP, Logic, PT, or Sonar any day over Live for mixing. What gets me about Live vs. Logic is that I LOVE composing in Live, but really...what's the point of using Logic for anything other than mixing if you're recording most of your midi in Live? I can't be the only one who believes tracking and editing audio in Logic kinda sucks. So other than using the included instruments and for mixing...


Let's just say I sure as hell hope L8 improves in the audio department.

Sleep Tyght wrote: I can't be the only one who believes tracking and editing audio in Logic kinda sucks.

hear hear

Sleep Tyght wrote:When...and if...Logic 8 is ever released I'll cut the check especially if those rumors pan out of L8 being much easier to learn than it's predecessors. Personally I hate mixing in Live. I know others are mixing without complaint, but for me session view is such a creativity killer when putting together a great mix.

Amen brotha....

Sleep Tyght wrote:Let's just say I sure as hell hope L8 improves in the audio department.

I think thats a given. It's probably going to be way better at audio editing, I am hoping they expound Beat mapping to have a PT Beat detective feature.

Also, I am hoping they 'borrow' the session view from Live and make Logic a better live performance tool.

Also, I am hoping they 'borrow' the session view from Live and make Logic a better live performance tool.

I don't believe they will. But i heard a little green bird singing that Live 7 will be a much more comprehensive DAW. Actually at the moment i'm switching from a Mac/Logic/Live Setup to a PC/Live Combination. It's cheaper (particulary when your Mac is broken and you have no warranty anymore!) and work is more spontanious and intuitive...

i just got logic express to test the waters and here is my big issue with it.

if i open my "Live' projects in Logic it will not let the plugins be opened that are used in the "Live" set. what's up with that shit? i can't use plugins in Live while it is rewired? lame.

live makes working on music fun, logic is kinda complicated at first. i hear once you know it, it is easy as cake but you can not just jump in and swim.



my main reason for wanting logic is the tape delay plug in, it sounds so nice and i can't find one that compares. so not to hijack this thread, pm me if you have any suggestions for a delay plugin, for mac, that compares. besides dubstation(hate it)

d~

dango wrote:


my main reason for wanting logic is the tape delay plug in, it sounds so nice and i can't find one that compares. so not to hijack this thread, pm me if you have any suggestions for a delay plugin, for mac, that compares. besides dubstation(hate it)

d~

You should try the Du....(ooops)

thelocalhost wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:Personally, I'd rather become a black belt at Live than a blue belt at Live, Logic, Reason and Pro Fools. Kind of the same reasons I'm trying to use Live's built in instruments rather than sorting through the dozens of freewares and paid for plug-ins I own.

Live isn't a 'deep' program. I would argue that anyone with a basic audio/midi background can become a 'black belt' in a short amount of time. I think this is the appeal of Live.

I can't speak to this but I'd like to hear some seasoned Live users comment.

one thing i'll say about live is that it's a hell of a lot easier to learn than logic. logic is the most difficult program to learn that i have ever used, by far. i've had it for about three months now and i still have to go back to the manual constantly, whereas i don't think i've used the manual once when using live

midget trance.

snowtires wrote:one thing i'll say about live is that it's a hell of a lot easier to learn than logic. logic is the most difficult program to learn that i have ever used, by far. i've had it for about three months now and i still have to go back to the manual constantly, whereas i don't think i've used the manual once when using live

totally agreed, but then again once you 'get it' the deepth and possibilities are what it makes it sooo... powerfull. in my experience it is well worth to overcome the very steep learning curve. [even you will have several shoutouts, computer hate syndroms and plenty of swearing for starters]

eyeknow wrote:part of my reasons for selling logic is that live give me more pleasure. I use it, I make music, and it's not that uber "pretend studio" look but I get things done!

Glad you felt that way



"Live isn't a 'deep' program. I would argue that anyone with a basic audio/midi background can become a 'black belt' in a short amount of time. I think this is the appeal of Live.

I can't speak to this but I'd like to hear some seasoned Live users comment."


Personally, I think Live is a very simple program to get up to speed with, once you learn the Ableton way of doing things. There's very few editing options to learn, and a minimal amount of menus to wade through. Only two screens to get to know.

This is both good and bad IMO. It's good because as mentioned, it's easy to learn the basic tools Live has to offer, and the workflow supports that. Everything the program can do, is more or less right there in front of you. It's bad because with limited tools, you end up needing to sometimes go through long winded workarounds to achieve something that other DAWs have dedicated functions for. Things like crossfades, any detailed audio editing, or detailed midi composition for instance.

Again, Live CAN do pretty much anything you need, it's just not as instantaneous for the more experienced user compared to DAWs that have more specialized editing options. I think this is one reason we see more and more feature requests where people are asking for functions other DAWs have. As Live gets more mainstream, and gets a larger and more experience user base, people start to see that the Live method of doing things can sometimes take longer than what people are used to with other DAWs.

It's always a trade off, simple easy to use generalized tools, versus the speed and efficiency of dedicated editing functions, which of course if done wrong can end up making the software bloated.