Why not Linux?

radib · Post by **radib** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:01 pm

Emissary wrote:please inform me what these installation were? also there are problems with the timing and pitch?

oh and you smell like an old mans nappy if you dont tell me how to get my card working

as far as i remember it was even without reinstalling/recompiling alsa. just searched "echo" in the application-database for available packages and installed some (along a intuitive order, don´t know if that is nescessary) and the thing didn´t work out before reboot. had it running well one week, but after installing something else (do not remember, too) the pitch of every outgoing audio signal was some tone lower. this was the point when i deinstalled the crappy "multimedia-system".

GUY SMILEY · Post by **GUY SMILEY** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:02 pm

Emissary wrote:
raapie wrote:I am planning a switch to Linux.

Will Live ever be ported to Linux? If not, why?
Because linux isnt really that great for audio

i am typing this on Gutsy gibbon ubuntu , and linux is all well and good if you want to browse the internet or do some word processing, but you try and get an echo indigo soundcard to work on the thing and BAM 12 hours of your life out the window fiddling with the terminal and looking at every help section under the sun and still no joy. Linux is cool but it has its problems.

Basically for pro audio: windows (not connected to the internet obviously)
For internet and open source stuff: Linux
if you want both and can afford a mac ( i cant) then : OSX

yeah i'm in pretty much exactly the same situation. I'd like to think that open source is the future for operating systems though.... it sort of makes sense in my mind.

radib · Post by **radib** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:09 pm

GUY SMILEY wrote:I'd like to think that open source is the future for operating systems though.

thats what they made all believe back in 1996. but real good coders/conceptualists are given professional offers, linux is more made from wannabes for wannabes. which ain´t bad, but too much illusion may hurt in the face of reality.

robin · Post by **robin** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:41 pm

radib wrote:thats what they made all believe back in 1996. but real good coders/conceptualists are given professional offers, linux is more made from wannabes for wannabes. which ain´t bad, but too much illusion may hurt in the face of reality.

See, now you're just showing yourself up. Please stop until you get a clue.

You do realise most of the underneath of OSX is open source don't you.

radib · Post by **radib** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:49 pm

but that doesn´t make linux any better as multimedia platform, does it?

Nokatus · Post by **Nokatus** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:59 pm

radib wrote:but that doesn´t make linux any better as multimedia platform, does it?

No, but it does quite effectively undermine your musings on open source. You're making such broad statements on the issue, I get the feeling that you have something personal against open development in general, not just multimedia production staggering on Linux.

robin · Post by **robin** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:12 pm

radib wrote:but that doesn´t make linux any better as multimedia platform, does it?

But that's not what you were saying.

You've seen my feelings on the matter above. Especially wrt. to Ableton supporting the platform.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:39 pm

I have the same problems as Emissary in that my Echo Indigo card is not recognised, neither is my wifi connection and linux sees my graphic card as an ATI Radeon 9600 when it is a 9700. Although Linux does run the crappy inbuilt audio card (sigmatel) in my laptop at a lower (but still unusable) latency than windows for audio recording, even with asio4all.

Linux is workable for me if using wired ethernet and is fine for e-mail and web, the office programs are fine for most basic needs but do lack more advanced features found in Microsoft Office etc.

The available audio/MIDI programs which currently exist, such as Audacity, Ardour and Rosegarden are OK for freeware but seriously lack many of the creature comforts and facilities in pro audio software on windows or mac osx. Ardour has a nice GUI and is fine for basic multitrack audio mixing but when used to a more pro product like Cubase, Sonar, Logic, DP, Live etc. it only compares to the cut down or freebies given away with soundcards etc.

And many of the plugins that run under ALSA are definately underwhelming and with terrible DOS like GUIs.

I think that there could be a market for a pro DAW, even closed source and paid for, in Linux. Surprised that Justin Frankel hasn't taken his Reaper product to Linux yet, that could have been a good market but then again, the mac development of this product is lacking too.

raapie · Post by **raapie** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:53 pm

For the Echo card, check:
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-229778.html

raapie · Post by **raapie** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:54 pm

btw my cards are:
RME Hammerfall
Echo Indigo IO
Line6 Guitarport

leonard · Post by **leonard** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:23 pm

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:31 pm

Emissary wrote:but cmon you cant honestly say that audio stuff is better on Linux than windows, be true to your heart.

If I were to be true to my heart, I'd have to say that there's nothing good on Windows at all. I'd rather not have a computer at all... but let's not go there!

husker · Post by **husker** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:43 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
Emissary wrote:I love linux but its simply not an option for audio
See, my experience is more like this:

1) Download ISO
2) Burn ISO
3) Boot from ISO
4) apt-get install ardour
5) Record

.. that's with a PC I picked up on the street... stick a soundblaster in there and laugh. Really, easy as pies.

funny...last time I screwed around with Linux 10 years ago, the soundblaster was the only soundcard I could get to work also - the more things change, the more they stay the same

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:06 pm

radib wrote:thats what they made all believe back in 1996. but real good coders/conceptualists are given professional offers, linux is more made from wannabes for wannabes. which ain´t bad, but too much illusion may hurt in the face of reality.

Wannabes like... IBM? Oracle? Dell? Any of the other large and respected companies that fund the development of Linux and sell and support Linux-based solutions? Linux *is not* made in bedrooms and garages, that's a myth. It's really mostly a corporate thing.

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:03 am

noisetonepause wrote:
radib wrote:thats what they made all believe back in 1996. but real good coders/conceptualists are given professional offers, linux is more made from wannabes for wannabes. which ain´t bad, but too much illusion may hurt in the face of reality.
Wannabes like... IBM? Oracle? Dell? Any of the other large and respected companies that fund the development of Linux and sell and support Linux-based solutions? Linux *is not* made in bedrooms and garages, that's a myth. It's really mostly a corporate thing.

Wannabes? My first contact with Linux was in 96 or 97, did a trade fair show for this company http://www.sgi.com/ for wannabes they paid exceptionally well, maybe they had rich granma, or because that wannabe filmmaker George Lucas who seems to fancy their wannabe coding.
Seriously, if at least Live would run on Linux I wouldn't think twice to shift and forget the Apple/Microsoft, even at the price of giving up some other apps and VSTs.

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