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downfader wrote:Just a point about the Radiohead album - I read an article this week that said they'd only been paid for 20% of the downloads. Thats shockingly small and says a lot about the way the "consumer" now see's music and other media.

I think thats missing the point a bit. For starters, just because 80% got it for nothing, that doesn't make it 80% lost sales. Many of them wouldn't have downloaded it if it was going to cost them. More importantly however, a large number of that 80% will pay £20 or £30 to see them perform in the sold out stadium tours they'll probably be doing next year. They're smart, they're using the album to promote the tour, not vice versa. Most people in the industry are too thick to get their heads around this concept.

forge wrote:or are you saying they dont book you again because you weren't what they expected?

I think it's good to have your own unique position - but if it also fits into someone else's bag that you wouldnt expect then great!

Yes, that's what I'm getting at.
Although the internet has made it happen for alot of artists, from my perception they all became 'big' in the wake of some bigger guy promoting them (e.g. the Minus Crew, Magda, Gaiser, etc). It feels as if the internet doesn't really have space or potential for talent to become big. While those bigger names got there doing influential dj mixes like Fabric or DJ Kicks (I know they get to do those because of their name, but it helps them an awefull lot too)

Bu this is getting OT as this is thread about a torrent site.

downfader wrote:Just a point about the Radiohead album - I read an article this week that said they'd only been paid for 20% of the downloads. Thats shockingly small and says a lot about the way the "consumer" now see's music and other media.

i think that people need to be aware of the publicity involved with releasing stuff over the net. for example they made this really huge survey of the napster users when they got shutdown (which leads to the thought: if Metallica was there on napster, and they DISLIKE piracy, why where they there in the first place?) it revealed that the people on napster spends about 40% *more* money on records, then other people. coincidence? hardly.

ive got tons of music here, that i would never ever even heard of if it wasnt for the internet. i buy the records, i go to the gigs, and i support the artist.
id rather pay the double for a gig, if the album was free. i dont like sending my money to on of the four biggest labels that does nothing to promote creativity or art in anyway, and has its sole purpose to make money off other people.

diy promotion is the way people.
ill never sign to a label if they dont give me the right to share my music on my terms. ever.
if people like it, they will support you. if they want to buy my album, fine. i bet theyll go to my gigs anyways, whether they got it on pb, or demonoid, or whatever.