Live 7 getting too expensive?

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:59 am

headquest wrote:I think that Live now seems quite overpriced, for a number of reasons:

1) The price of buying the full thing new has gone up, while others have come down - within the last year the price of several rivals has been slashed - not just Logic but also ACID and Project 5 have dropped to half their previous street price... meanwhile and Sonar remains very cheap and FL STudio hasn't had a price rise for years. And then there's Tracktion (check out the bundled VSTs ) and Reaper...

2) The add-ons are expensive, and imho not very good.

3) Paid-for upgrades come out EVERY year (with many developers, they only want more of your money every 18-24 months... e.g. Reason, Logic, Audition, etc.)

4) Live 7 seems - as Computer Music magazine wrote in their review - more like Live 6.5.

well mackie tracktion is filled with so many bugs its useless..

u know that...

and if live does not price themselves to compete in a global economy suffering from poor times, they will go bankrupt sooner or later... look at netscape. completely useless. couldnt compete with a native os browser. eventually you will probably have native os daw's

MicrOsofT Music StudIO

anyways, somebody somewhere is always cooking up the next big thing, either music, or software, or food fad...

cheers mate.

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:12 am

The other thing is,

compu music mags, are kinda just, out to make media and news, and sales...

nothing says sales like..

" so why is LivE not where it should be "

and " ReNIOsE - HoW cOOL is COOL going TO BE? "

capo-wear-i · Post by **capo-wear-i** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:30 am

Live chargeable updates and chargeable additions have to be every year - I think - to keep money coming into the pot. That's just the way they have to work things to keep going in tough financial times. Nothing wrong with that - I'd much rather they did this than got taken over by a big $$$$ company.

Think of it like Christmas presents - some years you get the ipod, others years you get the Foot spa...

OvertoneZero · Post by **OvertoneZero** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:31 pm

I'm looking forward to seeing what Ableton drops in 2008... Audio overdub?

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:50 pm

I am more than happy to pay a good 100 + for another proper upgrade.

But, a few of things I want to see.

1, a built in convolution engine.

2, way better audio stretching.

3, built in linear phase eq's??

4, some neat and trippy audio fx. and maybe even up the quality of the ones in there.

5, built in mastering limiter

I mean, if Ableton wants to take LIve to a LEVEL. I say, GO FOR IT!

but take it to a LevEL. its obvious they have hired or have somehow the coding talent.

I mean, its easy to see, these guys can code!! I say, CODE man.

Seriously, give us the ultimate, music production and PerformaANCe device.

mixing, mastering, of the highest quality. LIke a mix of LIve, and WavElab, but in an Ableton way.

Just drop the proper plugs in this thing. and who cares about the cost.

seriously. 200 dollars, is a more than fair upgrade price, for Live 8, and having PSP, or SonalKsis quality plugs built right into it.

I mean, not some sort of Ozone, or Final mix mastering tool.

I mean, some really nice, PSP Xenon style Limiter, just right in the audio tools

Do you know what I mean?

Yhtomit · Post by **Yhtomit** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:11 pm

There is no doubt Sampler and Operator should be included in the basic 500$ box. The LL plugs are decent upgrades eventhough those sound pretty trashy to me and that string thing is a fantastic speaker killer!

Im literaly afraid to run that weird beast. I nearly had a heartattack .........

Seriously!

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:34 pm

j2j wrote:
um what?

don't troll. Pro tools will quantize to 64ths

you've never tried to teach a basic midi class with protools then.

whatever.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:13 pm

Well, Dr. Dohh you have a point with Reaper but Reaper is more of a substitution for a traditional linear DAW at the moment. BUt one which is setting a good precedent and I'm sure it's putting a dent in sales of Cubase and Sonar.

If you don't have the need to upgrade then I understand. I feel the same way about Reason - I could have either paid for the standard upgrade from Live 6 to 7 and updated Reason 2.5 to Reason 4, or I could afford to upgrade to the the Live 7 Suite download. I went for the latter because I already have plenty of other vsts (which can't be used in Reason) and the new features, plus the new instruments were excellent and Live now has rex support too. I may eventually upgrade to Reason 4 but don't feel the need for it right now. I have a fully integrated suite with Live 7.

As for Live 7 - Computer Music talk a lot of shit, which is why the only reason I would recommend their magazine is because of the free vsts like Zebra CM bundled on the cover DVD.

Live 6 seemed more like a half step upgrade to me, Live 7 is definately amazing, I can't believe how much I use and appreciate the new features that were not in Live 6. How can an upgraded (64 bit mixing) audio and MIDI engine, drum racks, sidechaining, enhanced video support, automatable timing signatures, slicer, tempo nudge, spectograph, pow-r dithering, external instrument plugin - plus the new instruments and drum machines not be significant developments. Better freeze tracks and racks were introduced in live 6 and they were pretty much the only major upgrades I can remember from L5.

Sonar has been on annual upgrades for some time.

Fruity Loops is still quite a basic program (even though much enhanced in the last 2 versions) and the version which has Sytrus and the better synths and sampling tools is quite a bit more. The audio still seems really tacked on and basic. Although credit to Image Line for keeping their product at a reasonable value.

At the end of the day, if Live 4 does what you need and you don't feel like paying the extra then that is your perogative. I would just say that personally, I feel it's value is fair for what it offers.

dr_dohh · Post by **dr_dohh** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:28 am

leedsquietman wrote:Well, Dr. Dohh you have a point with Reaper but Reaper is more of a substitution for a traditional linear DAW at the moment. BUt one which is setting a good precedent and I'm sure it's putting a dent in sales of Cubase and Sonar.

If you don't have the need to upgrade then I understand. I feel the same way about Reason - I could have either paid for the standard upgrade from Live 6 to 7 and updated Reason 2.5 to Reason 4, or I could afford to upgrade to the the Live 7 Suite download. I went for the latter because I already have plenty of other vsts (which can't be used in Reason) and the new features, plus the new instruments were excellent and Live now has rex support too. I may eventually upgrade to Reason 4 but don't feel the need for it right now. I have a fully integrated suite with Live 7.

As for Live 7 - Computer Music talk a lot of shit, which is why the only reason I would recommend their magazine is because of the free vsts like Zebra CM bundled on the cover DVD.

Live 6 seemed more like a half step upgrade to me, Live 7 is definately amazing, I can't believe how much I use and appreciate the new features that were not in Live 6. How can an upgraded (64 bit mixing) audio and MIDI engine, drum racks, sidechaining, enhanced video support, automatable timing signatures, slicer, tempo nudge, spectograph, pow-r dithering, external instrument plugin - plus the new instruments and drum machines not be significant developments. Better freeze tracks and racks were introduced in live 6 and they were pretty much the only major upgrades I can remember from L5.

Sonar has been on annual upgrades for some time.

Fruity Loops is still quite a basic program (even though much enhanced in the last 2 versions) and the version which has Sytrus and the better synths and sampling tools is quite a bit more. The audio still seems really tacked on and basic. Although credit to Image Line for keeping their product at a reasonable value.

At the end of the day, if Live 4 does what you need and you don't feel like paying the extra then that is your perogative. I would just say that personally, I feel it's value is fair for what it offers.

I'm sorry i have no idea what reaper is! i wasn't the one who made that comment.

I have not yet upgraded reason as well - it seems now i have to because of the UB thing for Mac. This is the same reason why I'm considering a Live 7 upgrade as well.

i really thought about upgrading to live 6, but i thought that many of the upgrades they offered weren't really what i was looking for - i only wanted the video sync upgrade.

Of course, I didn't post this topic to sway others from upgrading Live. I just wanted to see if there were others who shared my opinion. From this post I'd say that more people are satisfied with their Live upgrades.

Also I'm a little concerned that for every upgrade you make, you pretty much get only a year's worth of support, especially on technical upgrades and bug fixes. So I feel that most software companies will drop you if you DON'T upgrade. That's why it feels expensive to me if you charge $100 every year for that.