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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:29 pm
by mdk
thats a nice idea. so if it crashes does it bring it back up again automatically like the explorer shell?
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:35 pm
by Moody
friend_kami wrote:Moody wrote:Let me try to paint a real picture of how Linux and an application like Live could be the simplest method of deploying the application. Currently, Ableton is fighting many battles to make Live work for everyone. (or atleast for the majority)
Why? Because, of Windows and all the hardware platforms people are attempting to run it on combined with the efforts to stablize it on Apple's various hardware and OS platforms. This is a difficult task. Hell, it is difficult for Microsoft to get everything they own to work together.
So, everybody is thinking that putting Linux into the mix could further confuse the issues. Obviously with the current approach it would but, here is the catch.... If, Ableton provided a Hardware Compatibility List (including desktops, laptops and audio interfaces) and built there own Linux (or any kernel) Kernel with Live as the exclusive GUI the world of variables become a lot smaller and become controlled variables.
So the experience now goes like this. I check the HCL, buy my compatible hardware which will most likely already have Winblows or OSX which you can use for whatever you want and now I install my Live but this time it installs itself parallel to the OS as a bootable option. So now I boot into an enviroment that is completely under the control of the Abes. This is what most of us are trying to achieve anyways when using full screen mode but, we cut out all the middle men.
Eh, who knows I may just be a dreamer but I am not the only one.
what i do is to boot into live using live as the default shell.
still running on the windows platform, but it sure beats hogging your computer down with explorer running in the background + all the other uneccessary services and crap.
Imagine removing the questionable underlying components and replacing them with your own code. Your current setup is the closest thing there is at the moment though.
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:06 pm
by Martyn
Moody wrote:Let me try to paint a real picture of how Linux and an application like Live could be the simplest method of deploying the application. Currently, Ableton is fighting many battles to make Live work for everyone. (or atleast for the majority)
Why? Because, of Windows and all the hardware platforms people are attempting to run it on combined with the efforts to stablize it on Apple's various hardware and OS platforms. This is a difficult task. Hell, it is difficult for Microsoft to get everything they own to work together.
So, everybody is thinking that putting Linux into the mix could further confuse the issues. Obviously with the current approach it would but, here is the catch.... If, Ableton provided a Hardware Compatibility List (including desktops, laptops and audio interfaces) and built there own Linux (or any kernel) Kernel with Live as the exclusive GUI the world of variables become a lot smaller and become controlled variables.
So the experience now goes like this. I check the HCL, buy my compatible hardware which will most likely already have Winblows or OSX which you can use for whatever you want and now I install my Live but this time it installs itself parallel to the OS as a bootable option. So now I boot into an enviroment that is completely under the control of the Abes. This is what most of us are trying to achieve anyways when using full screen mode but, we cut out all the middle men.
Eh, who knows I may just be a dreamer but I am not the only one.
That would be the best possible scenario for me, fwiw your certainly not the only dreamer.
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:06 am
by friend_kami
Moody wrote:friend_kami wrote:Moody wrote:Let me try to paint a real picture of how Linux and an application like Live could be the simplest method of deploying the application. Currently, Ableton is fighting many battles to make Live work for everyone. (or atleast for the majority)
Why? Because, of Windows and all the hardware platforms people are attempting to run it on combined with the efforts to stablize it on Apple's various hardware and OS platforms. This is a difficult task. Hell, it is difficult for Microsoft to get everything they own to work together.
So, everybody is thinking that putting Linux into the mix could further confuse the issues. Obviously with the current approach it would but, here is the catch.... If, Ableton provided a Hardware Compatibility List (including desktops, laptops and audio interfaces) and built there own Linux (or any kernel) Kernel with Live as the exclusive GUI the world of variables become a lot smaller and become controlled variables.
So the experience now goes like this. I check the HCL, buy my compatible hardware which will most likely already have Winblows or OSX which you can use for whatever you want and now I install my Live but this time it installs itself parallel to the OS as a bootable option. So now I boot into an enviroment that is completely under the control of the Abes. This is what most of us are trying to achieve anyways when using full screen mode but, we cut out all the middle men.
Eh, who knows I may just be a dreamer but I am not the only one.
what i do is to boot into live using live as the default shell.
still running on the windows platform, but it sure beats hogging your computer down with explorer running in the background + all the other uneccessary services and crap.
Imagine removing the questionable underlying components and replacing them with your own code. Your current setup is the closest thing there is at the moment though.
yeah i know. cant wait, but i doubt it will happen.
the ableton company are running around with blindfolds thinking that theres no linux market for Live.
like you said, its mad easy to slipstream your very own bootable live live cd if only it were to be released on linux, dedicated hardware running a dedicated os for live only etc.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:00 pm
by j2j
I still want Linux support!!
Bump
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:23 pm
by Nick the Zombie
I've been wanting Live in Linux for a long time. I really enjoy Ubuntu, and I would ditch Windows and OSX in a heartbeat if I could do this. Ubuntu studio is about the closest thing we have to a good, mainstream-ish music writing solution under Linux.
- Nick
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:45 am
by abort
I have read through most of everyone's comments and thought to myself, I don't want Ableton Live on Windows or OS or Linux.
I would like to see Ableton Live ..One of the best creative DAW's around to Be independent!!!
I would like to see ableton Live BOOT my computer up and go straight to a new session!!! with maybe small apps that would run inside ableton like burn to disk or a basic system utility options box.
Why can't we just install ableton on are hard drives as a new operating system!!?
I think that would be the best!!!
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:49 am
by condra
would you use Ableton on Linux if possible ?
yes probably
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:52 am
by Nick the Zombie
abort wrote:I have read through most of everyone's comments and thought to myself, I don't want Ableton Live on Windows or OS or Linux.
I would like to see Ableton Live ..One of the best creative DAW's around to Be independent!!!
I would like to see ableton Live BOOT my computer up and go straight to a new session!!! with maybe small apps that would run inside ableton like burn to disk or a basic system utility options box.
Why can't we just install ableton on are hard drives as a new operating system!!?
I think that would be the best!!!
This would be an interesting productivity experiment. An OS that consists entirely of your favorite music creation software, free of the typical distractions such as email, etc. Would we just find other things to be distracted by, or would we truly be more focused?
Either way, cool idea.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:22 am
by Homebelly
Nick the Zombie wrote:abort wrote:I have read through most of everyone's comments and thought to myself, I don't want Ableton Live on Windows or OS or Linux.
I would like to see Ableton Live ..One of the best creative DAW's around to Be independent!!!
I would like to see ableton Live BOOT my computer up and go straight to a new session!!! with maybe small apps that would run inside ableton like burn to disk or a basic system utility options box.
Why can't we just install ableton on are hard drives as a new operating system!!?
I think that would be the best!!!
This would be an interesting productivity experiment. An OS that consists entirely of your favorite music creation software, free of the typical distractions such as email, etc. Would we just find other things to be distracted by, or would we truly be more focused?
Either way, cool idea.
I would love this..
I kinda-sorta fool my self into thinking this us already the way using full screen mode
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Would i be right in thinking that if Live was its own OS, then it would run leaner and faster?
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:26 am
by abort
It might!
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:03 am
by Silverfish
I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon here and vote yes to Ableton Live on Linux. And +1 for Ableton Live OS. That would be awesome sauce.
Also, as friend_kami mentioned, some years back a forum member posted a small .exe that would allow you to choose any windows app as the shell, and when I perform I use that. There's a pretty sizable performance increase on my aging laptop, and I've only once had a problem with it, and I've been performing pretty regularly.
Not to hijack the thread, but is there a way to do something similar in OS X?
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:39 am
by inmazevo
No.
Not enough apps.
Not enough hardware choices in midi/audio interface land.
Not enough plugins.
As long as there are 837 versions of it competing for supremacy in this or that niche market, none of the above situations will change, and there will be 838 versions of it by the time I finish this... oops... 839... post.
Besides, Snow Leopard, if it turns out to not be vaporware hype, looks to be exactly what I want an operating system to be: lean, clean, mean, 64bit, good core scaling.
Don't think Apple is headed into crapland at all.
Though I see the Microsoft point. XP worked fine, but it's a dying OS, and I consequently just kicked my last dedicated Windows machine to the curb... permanently (from the likes of Vista and Windows 7, at least).
I'll stick to living in the Linux world for all my non-DAW tasks (which I do, and have done, every day for the past decade now).
- zevo
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:04 am
by Machinesworking
Personally I'm very recently convinced that I like limitations and stability. My feeling is that OSX is bloated, Vista is Bloated, and that Linux could easily bring hardware level stability to the PC.
I like OSX, it's a fine OS, but it's flawed for audio work, almost as flawed as Vista, and neither is as efficient as a dedicated hardware digital recorder with FX etc. both have much worse inherent latency IMO.
Look, Receptor is a Linux device, it handles VSTs and gets really low latency. Somebody could, and should add this sort of OS dedication to a Linux distro and DAW, then this argument about whether Linux can do this would be entirely moot.
Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:19 am
by Homebelly
Machinesworking wrote:
Look, Receptor is a Linux device
Is it?
I thought it was a tore down windows OS that boots into a shell just like some one here described booting Live on an XP system...