OT- the geometry of spacetime (nassim haramein vid -AWESOME)

[The Phat Conductor]

yea dude. you weren't paying attention.

bullshit. have YOU ever done any math involving dimensional analysis? ever done calculus? are you versed in the area in any way? seriously, what grounds are you calling me out on? I'll call this joker out based on my above post, where are you coming from to call me out? it's one thing to post words, what's behind them?

i guess it's not for you, but there's no reason to hate on the man's work.

yes there is, he's a fool spreading some really ignorant shit, taking advantage of other people as naive as he is.

his re-envisioning of the solar system over time as a corkscrew and not a disc.

no clue what you're talking about. sounds like more bullshit. the planets are HUGE masses whose orbits have been well studied for hundreds of years.

i'm hardly off to join a cult.

of course not, you're just having an open mind, taking in new ideas. you want to ask ME what I think, I'll tell you, he's a fool.

yo yo, relax man, i quoted the wrong message. i was rendering something in another window.

i meant to reply to the other guy who made the cult/guru comments.

as far as dimensions (which seems to be as far as you got) nassim was just saying that explaining the actual physical world by first starting with abstract, human concepts such as a 1 dimensional 'thing' is problematic because there is a tendency to make the world fit ideas and not the other way around.

his problems with 1, 2, and 0 dimensional objects were just thoughts he had as a child that sparked his interest in physics. that section is not really even that important to his work.

[Tone Deft]

no worries, I know you're a chilled out nice guy, no need to get on your case. I'm just ranting on topics. I edited my post and pointed to the 18:40 where I grabbed a flaw in his thinking. FWIW.

[The Phat Conductor]

ok, so now on to the solar system:

the solar system is hurtling through space right?

our model of it is a disc... but if it's hurtling through space, and the planets are following the sun, when you look at it over time it's better to envision it as a corkscrew . then when you try to imagine where you were in the past, you don't just rewind the disc, ending up in the same position every year, but instead you retrace the movement of the corkscrew.

i think your real problem with this lecture is that the guy looks like a hippie and has all these tacky day glow shapes that look like sacred geometry in the background.

if you listened to what he actually has to offer you probably wouldn't be so dismissive and accusatory. i know you're better than that. you were probably just drunk on your way to go see ministry...

i still luv ya, no worries there

<3

dylan

[slicedbread]

conservation of angular momentum, bitches.

he's not entirely wrong in his *analogy* of a corkscrew but he shouldn't talk truthiness.

everything in the universe travels on paths which can be cut out of conic sections. the "cone" shape is caused by massive objects warping space. the type of path an object takes relative to any other object (ellipse, parabola, hyperbola, perfect circle) is determined by the total energy of the object (kinetic + potential). this has been proven through experiment and observation. i could explain in more detail but i have a comet to catch to Glorbuun4.

[Tone Deft]

re the universe - so he's redefining it based on how it's easier to think about? that's called dumbing things down, right? IMO it's his inability to think of time as a dimension. to a 4th dimensional person we'd look like a long smear of protoplasm that was an infant at one end and a decaying corpse at the other end, think about it, the ability to see time rather than just move through it in one direction.

re: his appearance. I could say you're listening to him due to the same reasons, here's a guy who's 'off the grid' and breaking ground, cool. trust me, some of my best teachers in college and brightest coworkers have 'unkept' appearances and some strange hobbies.

I honestly listened to him with all good intention of following him and checking out his angle on things. I had a few drinks but was not bad off, besides, you don't know me, you don't know how good or bad I handle stuff like this, sober or not.


I want to invent my own religion, sure fire way to make gazillions.

[Homebelly]

I want to invent my own religion, sure fire way to make gazillions.

didn't tom cruise and john travolta already do that?

[The Phat Conductor]

re the universe - so he's redefining it based on how it's easier to think about? that's called dumbing things down, right? IMO it's his inability to think of time as a dimension. to a 4th dimensional person we'd look like a long smear of protoplasm that was an infant at one end and a decaying corpse at the other end, think about it, the ability to see time rather than just move through it in one direction.

re: his appearance. I could say you're listening to him due to the same reasons, here's a guy who's 'off the grid' and breaking ground, cool. trust me, some of my best teachers in college and brightest coworkers have 'unkept' appearances and some strange hobbies.

I honestly listened to him with all good intention of following him and checking out his angle on things. I had a few drinks but was not bad off, besides, you don't know me, you don't know how good or bad I handle stuff like this, sober or not.


I want to invent my own religion, sure fire way to make gazillions.

i give up.

let's talk about some music...

[Tone Deft]

lmfao!! come out to SF, we'll see how wrecked we can get before any of this thread makes sense.

HomeB- I want to be Pepsi to the Mormon's coke, heck, I'd settle for being Tab to their RC Cola. they almost got a candidate into office, imagine that. jazz is a great American invention, LDS, not so much.

[Homebelly]

lmfao!! come out to SF, we'll see how wrecked we can get before any of this thread makes sense.

HomeB- I want to be Pepsi to the Mormon's coke, heck, I'd settle for being Tab to their RC Cola. they almost got a candidate into office, imagine that. jazz is a great American invention, LDS, not so much.

The scientologists run circles around the LDS in terms of pure wackyness,,, but then thats a whole other thread

[leonard]

to a 4th dimensional person we'd look like a long smear of protoplasm that was an infant at one end and a decaying corpse at the other end, think about it, the ability to see time rather than just move through it in one direction.

isn't that how we'd appear to a fifth dimensional being? to view time (here represented as the 4th dimension) from that external viewpoint we need to exist outside of it, in another dimension. i.e the fifth dimension.

just chatting...

dogens essay on time, who do you respect more?
http://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/ ... gs/Uji.htm


i havn't watched the videos yet, btw.

[Winston]

to a 4th dimensional person we'd look like a long smear of protoplasm that was an infant at one end and a decaying corpse at the other end, think about it, the ability to see time rather than just move through it in one direction.

isn't that how we'd appear to a fifth dimensional being? to view time (here represented as the 4th dimension) from that external viewpoint we need to exist outside of it, in another dimension. i.e the fifth dimension.

just chatting...

I think the idea here is that we are 3 dimensional beings, moving through the dimension above, in one continuous direction. A fourth dimension being, in his example, would be able to move freely in the fourth dimension (as we do in the third), and perhaps move consistently in one direction through the dimension above.

[leonard]

so you're saying a 4th dimensional being moves through the fifth dimension?

i must read more about this.

[Machinate]

I want to invent my own religion, sure fire way to make gazillions.

didn't tom cruise and john travolta already do that?

nope, they didn't invent anything, and all the money those geezers make more or less gets funnelled into the sea org which gobbled them up. My response; sure thing, just remember to take The Fresh Prince with ya.

[Winston]

so you're saying a 4th dimensional being moves through the fifth dimension?

i must read more about this.

Well it's just a theoretical concept based only on ourselves as a reference. It's like imagining a 2 dimensional being. They'd be on a plane with no width, like a piece of paper, but really with no depth at all, and be able to move around on the x-y axis, but not leave the paper. But maybe that plane moves through the third dimension like a paper floating through the air. We don't know of any 2 dimensional or fourth dimensional beings even though we're familiar with those dimensions. We just know how we can move in ours, so we we can just imagine how other beings could move in theirs, if there are such beings.

[Tone Deft]

check this PBS documentary on String Theory, there's a section on multiple dimensions, 2nd row from the bottom, the pic of the tea cup.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

blew my mind, incredibly well explained and hits on a lot of fun areas.


one thing about the whole multiple dimensions is that a dimension is just a variable. x*q*g*t*m*k*l=b is an 8 dimensional equation. we're just used to x, y, z, and t.

kooky idea - 2 dimensional beings cannot exist because you cannot draw a digestive tract in a 2D being without cutting the thing in half.