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181 computer model related bugs.

a realy strange speciality i ve never experianced sofar with other softwares..

in the past a bug on an apple computer was a bug on all apple computers..
Theese days a bug on one apple might not show on a pro book modell but on a smaller macbook..
How can this happen?

wouldnt propper os related programming not overcome any hardware related issues?

Is this related to changes in apples operating system or is it an ableton speciality that should be adressed?

The problem for the user and ableton is that the debugging process of L8 got such a long 2steps forward one step backward process..
a very painfull process..

hope this was only L8 and not just how software development on modern computers works today.

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mutting grouptracks is only apllied to the group audio output..therefore we hav ethe problem that we cant totaly mute groups that contain midi tracks or tracks that are routet to other ports.. for example when we have a drum group that uses some single outs for external mixdown and/or midi tracks to fire sounds form external expanders, the mute button of the group gets rather useless..

183

a group arm functon would be very nice for multitrack recording studio sessions.

184
like often there are workaroundeltons for booth scenarios...but the total amount of workaroundeltons one is applying in a typical studio session with ableton live actually eat up 10% of the total studio time easily.. or more

will you just buy another DAW you total nobhead!

jtdj wrote:will you just buy another DAW you total nobhead!

one with less stupid user as this one?

3phase wrote:182

mutting grouptracks is only apllied to the group audio output..therefore we hav ethe problem that we cant totaly mute groups that contain midi tracks or tracks that are routet to other ports.. for example when we have a drum group that uses some single outs for external mixdown and/or midi tracks to fire sounds form external expanders, the mute button of the group gets rather useless..

This is massively annoying tbh.

3phase wrote:

jtdj wrote:will you just buy another DAW you total nobhead!

one with less stupid user as this one?

....says the guy who keeps using a DAW that apparently doesn't work for him yet comes up with excuse after excuse on why he can't just switch to another DAW that most likely has plenty of the features mentioned in this thread. Maybe you should loosen the chin strap on your helmet a bit.

185


doing a cut time on a loop set in arrange and undo that wont restore the loop settings aswell. The loop lenghth is reduced to its most minimal length

186

there are no ways to set loop atributes on mutiple clips at once even when they have the same length... while it is difficult to change the start maker on different files just setting a loop in relativ offset to the startmarker of the master clip should be easy


187

Copy parts from arrange to session view ignores teh arrange loop settings.. if the arrange loop is set and active the pasted result
into session view should be loops and no freerunning material

188

related

capture as scene works in arrange..but aswell dont takes care about the slection or loop state within arrange..

the scene capture here should be more intelligent and really deliver as scene what you hear...when arrange loop is on the scene will be a looped scene aswell.. when necessary involved tracks get spilted and consolidated automatical..

that would be a complete capture as scene command from within arrangement view. everything else calls for too much extra moves during production

3phase wrote:187
Copy parts from arrange to session view ignores teh arrange loop settings.. if the arrange loop is set and active the pasted result
into session view should be loops and no freerunning material

those are two different things..
the loop in Arrange is just a repetition of selected time, of both looped and freerunning material,
the actual clip loop, and it's settings, are set in the clip editor/properties..

Poster wrote:

3phase wrote:187
Copy parts from arrange to session view ignores teh arrange loop settings.. if the arrange loop is set and active the pasted result
into session view should be loops and no freerunning material

those are two different things..
the loop in Arrange is just a repetition of selected time,
the actual loop, and it's settings, are set in the clip editor/properties..

thats not two different things because you can jump with the arrange loop and markers therefore the arrange loop is a performance parameter. Beside that its much likely that one wants to achive looped material in session view when copying from an active arrange loop
what you hear is what you get should be the law here... like in any good daw design.

in the moment you set the arrange loop its no freerunning material anymore and a copy of this state should create the apropiate content and nothing that needs a dozends of extra moves..

But even when you want to be so stiff to see an arrange loops as just a tool entity we still have the point that you have to handle each track individually to achive a looped scene.. that is highly uncomfortable and time consuming. especially for a program that has a scene related cliplaunch matrix as main attraction one could expect this matrix beeing supported well.


like usual with ableton when it comes to details that are not supported by theire aprooved block 1 bar loops movers workflow we have too many moves to achive standard production tasks. In general the Program could be optimized by eliminating mindless repeating tasks by making the computer do them for you.. So more intelligent and workflow optimizing coding would be nice. Ableton claims that they are in the "beauty" of code.. They should be rather into the smartness of code what would make the program more beautifull than just it looks...
Steinberg is advertizing with such optimisations.. so they are a sales argument.

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doing a cut time on a loop set in arrange and undo that wont restore the loop settings aswell. The loop lenghth is reduced to its most minimal length

that's a bug

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related

capture as scene works in arrange..but aswell dont takes care about the slection or loop state within arrange..

the scene capture here should be more intelligent and really deliver as scene what you hear...when arrange loop is on the scene will be a looped scene aswell.. when necessary involved tracks get spilted and consolidated automatical..

that would be a complete capture as scene command from within arrangement view. everything else calls for too much extra moves during production

if you capture a scene from the arrange view it should sound like the arrange view. it doesn't. this is massively annoying.

Macrostructure wrote:

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doing a cut time on a loop set in arrange and undo that wont restore the loop settings aswell. The loop lenghth is reduced to its most minimal length

that's a bug

it there since many years.. i would say since allways..

When it dont crashes the program it´s a feature ( book of ableton, psalm 8.1b2 )

glenn303 wrote:

3phase wrote:

jtdj wrote:will you just buy another DAW you total nobhead!

one with less stupid user as this one?

....says the guy who keeps using a DAW that apparently doesn't work for him yet comes up with excuse after excuse on why he can't just switch to another DAW that most likely has plenty of the features mentioned in this thread. Maybe you should loosen the chin strap on your helmet a bit.

Leave 3phase alone. He really does care about the program. I have no problem at all with him continuing to point out flaws that he sees. It's only meant to make Live better.

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all notes of command only on sequencer stop.. what is sometimes fatal in session ad recording situations..

a manual executable all note off command is necessary on a midi sequencer.. either on all ports or just the ports of the selected tracks