the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)

[9V]

andydes Just because the word musicista means composer doesn't mean that a performer or a DJ doesn't play music.

Well, he plays music when the sounds, loops, scratches, mixes etc. are played in real time. This music becomes "sound" if recorded in an audio track (from a musician perspective). For a listener it remains "music", either in real time or recorded.

andydes what about people who don't use loops, and record their own instruments? They're just "performers" recording audio right?

Almost Right: They are performers recording music, not audio. When they played it in real time it was still MUSIC (the performance). The performance recorded in the audio tracks is not music anymore. It WAS music (for our brain), and sound (in a musical perspective). Infact you cannot modify it anymore, unless using acoustic parameters. But it is not editable using musical language.

andydes So you complained in the Propellerhead forums the same way you have here, with your twisted logic that yours is the higher art form. Everyone who disagreed wasn't a musician, came from an inferior culture, etc. Many people were offended and after many pages they banned you right? So you took the same argument to KVR and were banned from there too.

Wrong. I was banned because of my repetitive requests for VST support and because i don't consider rewire a valid vst replacement. No one was insulted, the only ones who felt "insulted" were close minded people or fanboys. Then i wanted to discuss about this issue in KVR forum, but one of the PH employees is in KVR staff, so they banned me at once.

andydes And now you've done it here as well, but still not one single person agrees with your definition.

I've counted only 4 fellows. The rest is trolling or funny nonsense, like the "chips vs fish" debate etc. Or people who feel insulted because they want to be considered musicians even without knowing music. They say: "i am a musician, i play with sounds". But this is not the definition of a musician (at least here in italy). A musician must understand music. What you call "musician" we call "music maker", "sounds player", "dj" etc. Which are minor forms of art, of course. So, if you feel insulted because you want to be considered "a musician" even without knowing music... it is your problem, not mine. I don't call "dancer" a kid who goes to the disco. I call "dancer" a fellow who understands dance. You consider yourself "a writer" like Thomas Mann, Dostoievskij or Dante only because you wrote a nice letter to your girlfriend? I don't call "painter" a kid who draws a flower for mummy. I call "painter" one who understands perspective, colors etc. Or you consider yourself "a painter" only because you've finished a 1000 pieces jigsaw reproducing the Da Vinci Mona Lisa?... You magically become like Leonardo?...

[andydes]

No, 4 people actually tried to understand what you were saying. You think the any of the other people talking the piss agree with you? You started a thread to try and say that you are better than everyone else, not because you want a serious discussion about it.

Fine. If you want to limit the tools you use to make music so you can feel superior about your higher art form, then go ahead, but this whole topic is completely pointless.

[9V]

You started a thread to try and say that you are better than everyone else, not because you want a serious discussion about it. Fine. If you want to limit the tools you use to make music so you can feel superior about your higher art form, then go ahead, but this whole topic is completely pointless.

[regretfullySaid]

I dunno about completely pointless. 9V has made a big point about himself...

[rote fahne]

Which are minor forms of art, of course.

All definitions of art have become redundant after DADA, thats the way I see it.

DADA was the end of art, all art after DADA has not added anything new, only revisiting art forms that existed before and up to DADA.

So if one talks about "higher art" (or negatively put: minor art) then one refers to the romantic definition of art.

For me the romantic art is nothing more than an expression of a feeling what had yet to come: the world wars and the atomic bomb.

Apocalyptic.

Well now we have survived the wars and the atomic bombs, the question is: what is our answer to the time we live in now, an answer in terms of art?

I could give you an answer, but you could "soundcloud" or "youtube" for the answer yourself.

And yes, its not that much worth paying attention to, in my opinion.

It has all become retro futilism.

[rote fahne]

I did some study to find out how to write a 12 measure counterpoint, or how to write a standard classical theme, an 8 measure sentence or period.

Its not that difficult, I'm sure you could teach anyone in a 4 week summerclass.

So I dont see any reason to be snob about it.

[9V]

Only real artists can do DADA. Otherwise DADA is just an excuse for awkward fellows who pretend to be artists. See the Piero Manzoni "Merda d'Artista" (shall i translate?)

[rote fahne]

Only real artists can do DADA. Otherwise DADA is just an excuse for awkward fellows who pretend to be artists. See the Piero Manzoni "Merda d'Artista" (shall i translate?)

Maybe your name has to be NO NO to write real music these days.

To find a good ready made is a hell of a job. I watch the programs on tv on modern art, and when you see the attempts, its really funny.

[rote fahne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnkZBwFyuAY




Io sono uno skianto
suono senza l'impianto
con un urlo t'incanto - Si!
Perché sono uno skianto
Io sono uno skianto s
e decido che vengo
non è detto che canto - No !
perché sono uno skianto
Coro: Io sono uno skianto, Io sono uno skianto parlato : Io sono uno skianto non c'ho il cuore affranto
se ti guardo m'inciampo perché sono uno skianto
Io sono uno skianto non lo senti che tanfo
se mi scappa col vento è un gran tanfo da skianto Coro : Io sono uno skianto, Io sono uno skianto
Io sono uno skianto io mi drogo quel tanto
per campare contento e restare uno skianto
Io sono uno skianto mai avuto un rimpianto
non lo dico per vanto ma io sono uno skianto - Basta ! Coro: Io sono.......(ripete)


Si basta.

[9V]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_sL2bQkNo

[hoffman2k]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvalj7YKU8g

[9V]

http://belive.tv/videos/3/la-sora-cesir ... -ratzinger

(banned from youtube: "i told you not to bring your vendetta from papa ratzinger to kvr"

[LoopStationZebra]

I swear if this thread makes it to 5000 views I'm going to cut my throat.

[razorblade]

So, this went on for twenty one pages?

No Shit?

That is some serious OCD.

[9V]

"i told you not to bring you vendetta from page 21 to kvr"