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landrvr1 wrote:

spkey wrote: Well, it took me only 5" to Google. I'm sure you'll find plenty of good quality content here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... ted_States

and here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism

1. That's a list of wars that America has been a part of, and not a list of wars that the US has started.

2. You're original statement was that the US started most wars. Point in fact, the list of wars that Britain alone has STARTED would make the TOTAL list of wars that the US has been involved in look like a short grocery list.

I can give you plenty of numbers, but since you're so handy with Wiki I'll let you do your homework.

Next.

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I'm not defending Great Britain you muppet. Oh fuck that, it's fucking pointless.

landrvr1 wrote:Let's really just get all you assholes to come right out and say it.

Say it once. For me. Seriously.

Say it:

Russia was justified in it's actions.

Go ahead. Be fucking men for a change and just say it.

I want to hear you assholes say it. I want to hear that even a shred of diplomacy was not necessary.

Fucking cowards.



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the most amazing thing that you are accusing russia is that -

while saakashvili soldiers dozed with morphine were pulling out WOMEN AND CHILDREN out of bunkers and SHOOTING THEM MERCILESSLY
- while all that was happening RUSSIA DID NOT DO HER NEGOTIATIONS!

what a sick nation are we

4.33 wrote:

landrvr1 wrote:Let's really just get all you assholes to come right out and say it.

Say it once. For me. Seriously.

Say it:

Russia was justified in it's actions.

Go ahead. Be fucking men for a change and just say it.

I want to hear you assholes say it. I want to hear that even a shred of diplomacy was not necessary.

Fucking cowards.



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the most amazing thing that you are accusing russia is that -

while saakashvili soldiers dozed with morphine were pulling out WOMEN AND CHILDREN out of bunkers and SHOOTING THEM MERCILESSLY
- while all that was happening RUSSIA DID NOT DO HER NEGOTIATIONS!

what a sick nation are we

Let's just wait until we hear Americas side of the story. Everything will be sorted then and we the people will get to the bottom of who did what wrong first.

4.33 wrote:speaking of genocide...

'Genocide' is being overused nowadays, this is not genocide, but it is barbaric, and it should be condemned by the US gov't. That said, the barbarism, as usual, is not limited to one side. There are these things that are 'interesting facts':

From what I've read, I am convinced that the US gov't did tell Saakashavili not to use force several times. So, again, he screwed this up on his own.

I would also say the 'Russian aggression' label as overused.

However, a more disturbing trend is starting to emerge. Russian troops have been accompanied by 'irregulars' (what possible reason would an army like Russia's need to employ these?) The Russian presence in Georgia proper is being prolonged even after the Russian president has indicated it should not be.

So the impression is that the irregulars are rival ethnic groups with a grudge that have piggybacked on the Russian incursion, and are 'reaping booty'. Russian forces occupy areas that have nothing to do with the 'breakaway regions'.

Conclusions:

1) The Russian President has no control over his army. This is 'Hunt for Red October' on dry land.

2) The Russian President is being less than candid.

spkey wrote:

landrvr1 wrote:
Who's next? I hear those Chechens are acting up again. Better go teach them a fucking lesson as well.


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On the contrary, I read Chechens and Russians founght on the same side!

Anyway, this is not about western/eastern media but about people who question things and people who swallow everything they 've been given. Ancient stuff...

First off, name one thing that I'm swallowing? Besides muffinCocks cum whenever he tries to spray me with his man spunk out of hatred and revenge and homo erotic tendencies.

I freely and openly admit that Georgia is in the wrong, have maintained an aggressive and illegal posture towards South Ossetia, and that South Ossetia deserves independence.

I challenge you and all the other assholes on this forum to find one case where I've said anything different.



If you fucknuts want to start another thread about how Georgia are a bunch of assholes who pick on the people of South Ossetia, then by all means. It's an open forum. Knock yourselves out, douchebags.


This thread, however, is about Russian aggression towards it's breakaways. There's a clear history there. Someone wants to break off, Russia pounds the shit out them. The fact that you guys can't see that is stunning in ways that I didn't think possible. This rift with Georgians goes back to when the Earth Was Still Warm.

Again, and I'll type it slow so's you kids can follow along, Russia has been itching to give Georgia a good ass fucking and Georgia gave them that reason - nicely gift wrapped.


It's the country that has the moral courage to seek out a diplomatic solution that gets my vote for Bestest In Ze World. America doesn't come close. Russia sure as fuck doesn't either.

Carry on.


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mikemc,

the most disturbing trend is that united states government - IS supporting what is going on there.

tomorrow condoleza rice will be in tbilisi to aid the "georgian democracy"

this was SO predictable that this is not even funny anymore..

4.33 wrote:mikemc,

the most disturbing trend is that united states government - IS supporting what is going on there.

tomorrow condoleza rice will be in tbilisi to aid the "georgian democracy"

this was SO predictable that this is not even funny anymore..

Unfortunate that trend, but not the most disturbing. The most disturbing trend is what I indicated.

But yes this was predictable. It will remain to be seen whether the phrase 'aiding the georgian democracy' equates to aiding President Zog (it's easier to spell) per se or actually aiding the Georgian people to ensure their democracy.

landrvr1 wrote:

spkey wrote:

landrvr1 wrote:
Who's next? I hear those Chechens are acting up again. Better go teach them a fucking lesson as well.


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On the contrary, I read Chechens and Russians founght on the same side!

Anyway, this is not about western/eastern media but about people who question things and people who swallow everything they 've been given. Ancient stuff...

First off, name one thing that I'm swallowing? Besides muffinCocks cum whenever he tries to spray me with his man spunk out of hatred and revenge and homo erotic tendencies.

I freely and openly admit that Georgia is in the wrong, have maintained an aggressive and illegal posture towards South Ossetia, and that South Ossetia deserves independence.

I challenge you and all the other assholes on this forum to find one case where I've said anything different.



If you fucknuts want to start another thread about how Georgia are a bunch of assholes who pick on the people of South Ossetia, then by all means. It's an open forum. Knock yourselves out, douchebags.


This thread, however, is about Russian aggression towards it's breakaways. There's a clear history there. Someone wants to break off, Russia pounds the shit out them. The fact that you guys can't see that is stunning in ways that I didn't think possible. This rift with Georgians goes back to when the Earth Was Still Warm.

Again, and I'll type it slow so's you kids can follow along, Russia has been itching to give Georgia a good ass fucking and Georgia gave them that reason - nicely gift wrapped.


It's the country that has the moral courage to seek out a diplomatic solution that gets my vote for Bestest In Ze World. America doesn't come close. Russia sure as fuck doesn't either.

Carry on.


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Fucking Hell! It took you soooo long...

4.33 wrote: tomorrow condoleza rice will be in tbilisi to aid the "georgian democracy"

this was SO predictable that this is not even funny anymore..

Yes. I bet my version of Live!

landrvr1 wrote:[I freely and openly admit that Georgia is in the wrong, have maintained an aggressive and illegal posture towards South Ossetia, and that South Ossetia deserves independence.

I challenge you and all the other assholes on this forum to find one case where I've said anything different.

Don’t pretend this thread was about anything other than your favourite subject of “oh, what a bunch of hypocrites you all are”

No, you never expressly denied Georgia started it, but you deliberately ignored any mention of it (and it was mentioned enough), choosing instead to bring up Stalin's shit, then saying prove me wrong. If you wanted a real discussion on the subject, is that really the sorry ass extent of your debating skills?

Sadly, some people here seem to think, that you’re actually interested in debating it. I bet you fucking loved it when the tanks started rolling in, great ammunition to use on the Ableton forum and feed your attention deficit disorder.

I got a bit pissed off about it yesterday, now I just feel pity that this is how you get your jollies.

To everyone else:

If you’re looking for a serious discussion, this thread is not the place.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08 ... index.html
Russia. The Occupiers.


wait a second


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7560100.stm
Russia. The Peacekeepers and Withdrawers.


wait a second.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
Russia. The Occupiers.


wait a second.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... -30325615/
Russia. The Conquerers.



Obama and McCain.

McCain slams Russia for it's violent actions and declares "We Are All Georgians." What a retard. However, his statement of "Russia wanted to send a signal to any country that chooses to associate with the West." is right on the fucking mark.

Obama: “No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it well beyond the dispute over South Ossetia and invaded another country. Russia has escalated its military campaign through strategic bombing and the movement of its ground forces into the heart of Georgia. There is no possible justification for these attacks.”

Obama has at least made some sort of concession at the beginning to peace through diplomacy. It's weak, but it's there in previous comments.


Anyone remember when Putin visited Bush on his ranch and rode around with a cowboy hat on? It was a like a true Brokeback Mountain Love Fest moment with these two. I remember several Republican hardliners criticizing Bush for being so warm and open with Putin. Ahh, how times have changed.


Two sides of the same coin, really. Two Good 'Ole Boy AssKickers who aren't afraid to put on a Muʻumuʻu and ass rape another country.





I now pronounce you Ponce and Ponce. You may kiss the bride and then go destroy some much smaller nation. Thank you. God Bless. *smooch*







A Russian Soldier. Looking quite pleased with himself. Peace, bro.


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andydes wrote:
Don’t pretend this thread was about anything other than your favourite subject of “oh, what a bunch of hypocrites you all are”

Well, like I explained to muffinCunt, that's exactly what the thread was for, genius.


Don't you fucking read? Let me write it again.

One Day The Russians Decided To Kill A Bunch Of People

...and nobody gave a shit.


I'm not interested in a fucking debate on this issue. That's what you and your ilk can't seem to get though your thick skull plates. Where in the fuck did I ever say that I was interested in anyone's opinion on this? If I wanted that, the thread would have started:

Wow, really bad business in Georgia. What's everyone's take?

Can you see the difference, or do I need to spell it out 50 more ways?

Fuck me.



The BEST thing is that you guys see this thread, and all start hating on me because it doesn't conform to your vision of a proper debate and discussion! Let me ask you something. Who gives a shit? I'm outraged at the total lack of criticism towards Russia from everybody except fucking Republican assholes. I expressed that outrage in the form of an Uber Troll thread.

Then you guys get outraged because......because......because......I'm a troll? Because I'm not towing the Uber Left Wing Line that says "Anything associated with the US is bad. Anything associated with anything that the US isn't associated with is Good"? *hmm, what?*



Here's a piece of advice. And I give this out for free (all you Socialist dickheads should appreciate that): Why not ignore me? Hell, there's scripts freely available that allow you to block me, if I'm not mistaken. Take a load off your shoulders and ease your troubled minds. I'm obviously driving you guys utterly batshit. Oh, I've come along and ruined your precious forum! God, please.

or

Is it that you guys get a real rise out of trying to scold and correct me. I had an Uncle once who used to spank his kids left and right. He's always say "This hurts me more than it hurts you", but I never believed it. I saw the gleam in his eye when he would wind up with that black fucking belt of his. That gleam said "Little fuckers. Little bad pig fuckers. I'm going to teach you rotten little pig fucking kids a lesson."

It's the same Gleam that I see in many of your eyes (especially muffinStroke; who's like a ticking time bomb anyway).

It's the same Gleam that the Russians have in their eyes, actually.





Of course I'm Trolling. That's what 99.9% of the OT threads are around here.

The fact that you guys all came storming in here accusing me of Trolling is laughable. That recent Global Warming thread. You know the one? It's got a very civilized discussion going on (even though it quickly took a left turn into 10 other topics), but it's little more than Trolling. Who the fuck cares about another Global Warming thread? Why was that thread even created? What, there's not already 50 fucking million Global Warming forums that would have been 150% more appropriate to go to in order to have that discussion? It's Trolling, plain and simple.

Hey, I'm going to go to the Ableton forum and start a Global Warming thread! Trolling.

Hey, I'm going to go to the Ableton forum and start an Iraq thread. Trolling.

Hey, I'm going to go to the Ableton forum and start a thread about how I'm fighting for freedom in Afghanistan. Trolling.

It's all fucking Trolling. The only difference is that when the topic is something that most of you douchbags agree with, it's insightful and interesting and on target and thought provoking.

When it's something that you guys don't agree with, it's Trolling.

Laughable. Babble Babble Babble.


As to me getting my jollies when the tanks rolled in? Yeah. I had a real party.


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I'm outraged at the total lack of criticism towards Russia from everybody except fucking Republican assholes

There are a lot of things to criticize various countries about, and lots of reasons. Criticism of any country coming from people with an agenda for doing so is no less hypocritical --maybe even more, because it's manipulative-- than people saying 'ho hum'.

I found it difficult to differentiate your criticism from type of agenda-driven neocon residual Cold War knee-jerk criticism. I am now thinking it is not that type, but it's hard to tell.

Now, what I think you are saying is that various large world powers are engaged in a quiet struggle to ensure their respective inroads into the Caspian Sea petro-reserves, and it is a shame that a bunch of folk in some mountainous nowhere get jumped by the quasi-bandit military of some bozo who is supported by the US as a part of those machinations, thus giving Russia the opportunity to escalate the quiet struggle into a much more violent one: in general that what has happened to the civilian population situated, pawn-like, in what the West regards more as its 'pipeline easement' than a real place with real people really sucks, and these people's real wishes and human rights situation should garner more attention by all involved, including Russia, the EU and the US.

If that's what you're saying, I agree.

[edit] fwiw, given the above, the US picked the wrong bunch for the defense of the critical areas surrounding the pipeline. A pipeline through Armenia makes tons more geographic and economic sense, but it is much, much harder to a) get Turkey to finally fess up to the long ago Armenian mass-killlings so they might have better relations with Armenia and let the pipeline cross that border and b) to have Armenia and Azerbaijan amicably work out their differences regarding Nagorno-Karabakh to let the pipeline cross that border.

landrvr1 wrote: Is it that you guys get a real rise out of trying to scold and correct me. I had an Uncle once who used to spank his kids left and right. He's always say "This hurts me more than it hurts you", but I never believed it. I saw the gleam in his eye when he would wind up with that black fucking belt of his. That gleam said "Little fuckers. Little bad pig fuckers. I'm going to teach you rotten little pig fucking kids a lesson."

It's the same Gleam that I see in many of your eyes (especially muffinStroke; who's like a ticking time bomb anyway).

It's the same Gleam that the Russians have in their eyes, actually.





Of course I'm Trolling. That's what 99.9% of the OT threads are around here.

People don't like trolling mainly because it's an internet mental bully thing to do. Ignore large parts of what other people are saying and only go after what will make the other person look bad etc. but here, you admit to thinking punishment is wrong, then you admit to trolling.
Nobody has disagreed that violence is ugly, or that there are many reasons to think the Russians are overreacting, but the relative difference between the way mikemc and 4:33 are carrying the conversation about who is to blame, and what you are doing is massive. (they aren't the only semi rational people here with an opinion, I just like the diplomacy they show when debating each other on this..)
You want everybody to agree with you. You don't care if the situation is a mess, if Russia had plenty of legitimate reasons to roll in, and if it's even possible that the west egged this thing on and now is "condemning" it.

What bothers me is you aren't looking for anything other than blanket condemnation of Russia, which reeks of pre collapse of Soviet Union logic.
You went as far as painting Russia out as worse because of Stalin, which of course is ridiculous coming from a person living in a country founded on the ethnic cleansing of american indians. Both situations sucked, and guess what? the real number of native americans killed is not known, (I'm sure there are 'numbers', but they don't really work in respect to the estimated population of northern America) so it's impossible to make up body count pissing contests about it. Plus both situations happened 50+ years ago.... but hey, anything to win an argument right?

We have an opportunity to talk to fellow musicians about world events, which is really cool IMO. You had an opportunity to debate a russian about your views, but instead you went into flame-thrower mode right away.

Doesn't it in the least strike you as hypocritical that a conflict with muddy reasons for happening, with what looks like egging on from the USA is your platform for condemning other countries as being just as bad as us etc??

Even better, if you find that all OT threads trolling, and hate how excited your uncle got when smacking the little ones, don't troll them, stop trolling yourself. Here's a link to what trolling means. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
Notice the common thread in all explanations is that an internet troll is intentionally trying to bully, so how are you different than your unkle?

Mikemc again posted actual facts...... kudos to those who actually care to look at all sides in a situation.

landrvr1 wrote:

andydes wrote:
Don’t pretend this thread was about anything other than your favourite subject of “oh, what a bunch of hypocrites you all are”

Well, like I explained to muffinCunt, that's exactly what the thread was for, genius.


Don't you fucking read? Let me write it again.

One Day The Russians Decided To Kill A Bunch Of People

...and nobody gave a shit.


I'm not interested in a fucking debate on this issue. That's what you and your ilk can't seem to get though your thick skull plates. Where in the fuck did I ever say that I was interested in anyone's opinion on this? If I wanted that, the thread would have started:

Wow, really bad business in Georgia. What's everyone's take?

Can you see the difference, or do I need to spell it out 50 more ways?

Fuck me.



The BEST thing is that you guys see this thread, and all start hating on me because it doesn't conform to your vision of a proper debate and discussion! Let me ask you something. Who gives a shit? I'm outraged at the total lack of criticism towards Russia from everybody except fucking Republican assholes. I expressed that outrage in the form of an Uber Troll thread.

Then you guys get outraged because......because......because......I'm a troll? Because I'm not towing the Uber Left Wing Line that says "Anything associated with the US is bad. Anything associated with anything that the US isn't associated with is Good"? *hmm, what?*



Here's a piece of advice. And I give this out for free (all you Socialist dickheads should appreciate that): Why not ignore me? Hell, there's scripts freely available that allow you to block me, if I'm not mistaken. Take a load off your shoulders and ease your troubled minds. I'm obviously driving you guys utterly batshit. Oh, I've come along and ruined your precious forum! God, please.

or

Is it that you guys get a real rise out of trying to scold and correct me. I had an Uncle once who used to spank his kids left and right. He's always say "This hurts me more than it hurts you", but I never believed it. I saw the gleam in his eye when he would wind up with that black fucking belt of his. That gleam said "Little fuckers. Little bad pig fuckers. I'm going to teach you rotten little pig fucking kids a lesson."

It's the same Gleam that I see in many of your eyes (especially muffinStroke; who's like a ticking time bomb anyway).

It's the same Gleam that the Russians have in their eyes, actually.





Of course I'm Trolling. That's what 99.9% of the OT threads are around here.

The fact that you guys all came storming in here accusing me of Trolling is laughable. That recent Global Warming thread. You know the one? It's got a very civilized discussion going on (even though it quickly took a left turn into 10 other topics), but it's little more than Trolling. Who the fuck cares about another Global Warming thread? Why was that thread even created? What, there's not already 50 fucking million Global Warming forums that would have been 150% more appropriate to go to in order to have that discussion? It's Trolling, plain and simple.

Hey, I'm going to go to the Ableton forum and start a Global Warming thread! Trolling.

Hey, I'm going to go to the Ableton forum and start an Iraq thread. Trolling.

Hey, I'm going to go to the Ableton forum and start a thread about how I'm fighting for freedom in Afghanistan. Trolling.

It's all fucking Trolling. The only difference is that when the topic is something that most of you douchbags agree with, it's insightful and interesting and on target and thought provoking.

When it's something that you guys don't agree with, it's Trolling.

Laughable. Babble Babble Babble.


As to me getting my jollies when the tanks rolled in? Yeah. I had a real party.


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Well, what to say about that lot. Without going into details, because I have things to do: you're right about some of it, wrong about a lot else (certainly me and my motives, can't speak for anyone else).

You'd probably be surprised how much we would agree on politically, but you just wanted to call everyone a bunch of commies no matter what. Well done, feel better now?

And you're still an attention seeking whore, Lardraper (are we still playing that game?)

manramr1?