ot..... The Dumbocrats and Repugnicans show. Too F'd up ?

[Meef Chaloin]

could be, the world will end in 2012...............

I think the antichrist is hillary.......I think it will be her and martha stuart.........and that is all we need to know........

she's more likely to be the whore of babylon

[eyeknow]

funny though.........I didn't know ausie was part of the us.............

I think you must have missed a meeting.
John Howard and George were there...

hehehehehehehehehe, that's actually pretty good...........for a nice change of pace.......

oh, that rhymes with bass...........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[eyeknow]

could be, the world will end in 2012...............

I think the antichrist is hillary.......I think it will be her and martha stuart.........and that is all we need to know........

she's more likely to be the whore of babylon

well, we don't really know do we? Her "husband" is the "hoe"........I wonder what she does............................

[subterFUSE]

have some laughs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FcZJqqA2AI

depressing is the word

but ....RUMSFELD IS GONE!

oh I'm just glad they finally got a kicking

but the best bit is knowing that people were incensed enough to get out and give them that kicking

actually I think it would be nice for Hilary to be the first woman president

who will the republican candidate be in 2008?

It is an absolute 100% guarantee the democrat front-runner will be Hillary. Unless she has a some complete meltdown between now and the election. But this is unlikely. She is being run by the best in the business. John Kerry was going to run, but now he's dead in the water after his military crack. Howard Dean destroyed all chances when he had his meltdown. And Al Gore is nothing more than a joke at this point. The only other person might be Barack Obama, but against Hillary he has no chance. So, it is going to be Hillary.


For the Republican side, the current front-runners seem to be:


John McCain
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giulliani


Condi Rice might be a possibility against Hillary. The theory being this:

Hillary Clinton will get 100% of the Democrat vote, essentially. And being a woman, it is likely she would get a lot of the female vote from the swing voters. There are a lot of women who would vote for Hillary for no other reason than gender. That combination could be enough to take the win.

By putting Condi Rice in the running, you counter the effects of the female swing votes, since now they can go either way.... and you also inject another aspect... race. Condi might take some black votes which traditionally go democrat.



But realistically, I think it will be Mitt Romney or Rudy Giulliani.

[knotkranky]

Slim pickins' for the Dems. I can't stand Hilary, though with Bill as "First Gentleman" it makes it a bit easier going down.(no pun). Hilary is going to have to show me and a lot of others something different and better than what she's been doing. Anyway, I just don't want her on the ticket. She gets on my nerves.

Needless to say my current political focus is now on the fabrication of information that gave us the iraq war. That has to see the light of day. Those backroom deals are going on right now. I bet the gop is offering up some nice (pretty please) stuff for keeping the Dems away from the Iraq/judicial malaise that they can inflict.

Holy shit, the Dems better not puss out and take a deal. They've gotta press hard on the events from 911 to the war. I hope I'm not dissapointed.

[Meef Chaloin]

Holy shit, the Dems better not puss out and take a deal. They've gotta press hard on the events from 911 to the war. I hope I'm not dissapointed.

me too. But money & power stretch a long way

[ruprecht]

Needless to say my current political focus is now on the fabrication of information that gave us the iraq war. That has to see the light of day. Those backroom deals are going on right now. I bet the gop is offering up some nice (pretty please) stuff for keeping the Dems away from the Iraq/judicial malaise that they can inflict.

Holy shit, the Dems better not puss out and take a deal. They've gotta press hard on the events from 911 to the war. I hope I'm not dissapointed.

I'm not saying this should be swept under the rug if such deception exists but this is really your primary focus at this point?

Shouldn't we focus on solving the current Iraq quagmire? Isn't that more important than simply assigning blame? It will not suffice for the democratic policy to consist solely of saying "Bush did this and Bush did that."

[subterFUSE]

Needless to say my current political focus is now on the fabrication of information that gave us the iraq war. That has to see the light of day. Those backroom deals are going on right now. I bet the gop is offering up some nice (pretty please) stuff for keeping the Dems away from the Iraq/judicial malaise that they can inflict.

Holy shit, the Dems better not puss out and take a deal. They've gotta press hard on the events from 911 to the war. I hope I'm not dissapointed.

I'm not saying this should be swept under the rug if such deception exists but this is really your primary focus at this point?

Shouldn't we focus on solving the current Iraq quagmire? Isn't that more important than simply assigning blame? It will not suffice for the democratic policy to consist solely of saying "Bush did this and Bush did that."

Well.... most democrats don't have a clue what they would do differently. Americans voted against republicans in this election.... not FOR democrats. There isn't a single democrat who put forth any plans for how to do things differently. All they did was say.... "It's time for change." Change was never defined, however. It's easy to say that a plan isn't working. It's a whole different thing to propose a viable alternative. And the democrats have avoided this as long as possible. Now that they have the majority, the pressure is on them to do something. America is watching.

And also remember that many of these elections were very close. So when you hear that the dems gained 29 seats or whatever, it sounds like America was firmly in their corner. The truth is, each citizen can only vote in their state, and many of those races were very close. So the country is still divided about 50/50.


If the dems push impeachment, I believe it will backfire on them and hurt their chances in 2008. While there are people who share the sentiments of Knotkranky, the majority of the country does not. The majority of the country wants to see progress, not finger pointing... like you are saying, ruprecht.

So, if impeachment is being pushed.... don't expect to see Hillary signing on. She knows better. She has been carefully pitching herself as a moderate. Pushing impeachment would be political suicide, and she knows it.

[ruprecht]

Yeah, the dems have no plan. Pelosi basically stated it the other day when she said that Rumsfeld's departure will make it easier to "figure out a plan for Iraq" meaning they don't have one now. You're absolutely right that people voted the reps out rather than voting the dems in. This puts a ton of pressure on the dems now. They deserve it though. 6 years of incessant criticism. Time to step up and actually do something. I think it's funny that some of the dems in here were worried that the recent wins could hurt them in 2008. It's like they don't really believe in them to run the country.

On Hilary - My gut instinct tells me she cannot win. She is one of the most polarizing figures out there. Even if she begins acting moderate I don't think it will convert enough people into her camp. I also don't think she'd 100% of the democratic vote.

[knotkranky]

The current iraq problem would be most notably served with bush's ass served. So yes, I did my part to promote a dem congress only to put a bit in bush's mouth. My thoughts are now on the bush administrations accountability. The Bush team is still on for two more years. It's still his to fuck up more. But now, that is much harder for him to do. Heads will roll, but who's.

Anyway, plans are a very weak arguing point. There are two sets. The ones you say and promote you'll do and the ones you tell nobody about and do anyway. To say that the gop has plans holds little weight. Bush, cheney, wolfowitz, Pearle, Rummy, Frith, had plans alright and they stunk on historical magnitudes. The gop's plans were shit and they cause shit. Many in their own party had different better plans, so where did those go? I Iraq war? nice plan. Leave Afganistan with 20k troops? nice plan. Health care? no plan at all. Build a 700 mile long fence? a joke. Sell our major harbors to the middle east? That was a good one. On and on and on. Plans? please. I've got no love for political parties. I can give fuck all about the democratic party. But for sure, anything is better than what Bush has been on. I mean absolutely anything is better than W the terrible. What a horrendous administration it is.

It's not about dems not knowing what they would do differently. It's about the Dems not causing global terror and needless death on a enormous scale. I trust them not to do that and thats a lot for many who are horrified, and thats most of this country.

I don't care about the future of the democratic party in 2008. Crimes on the scale of Bush's which could easily be argued as the biggest crimes in the last thousand years, need to be addressed. If the Dems don't put Bush and his cronies on a bbq spit, i'll shake my fist at the asshole Dems. They better string those fuckers up.

cheers

[Alexis Forge]

.....
It's not about dems not knowing what they would do differently. It's about the Dems not causing global terror and needless death on a enormous scale. I trust them not to do that and thats a lot for many who are horrified, and thats most of this country.

I don't care about the future of the democratic party in 2008. Crimes on the scale of Bush's which could easily be argued as the biggest crimes in the last thousand years, need to be addressed. If the Dems don't put Bush and his cronies on a bbq spit, i'll shake my fist at the asshole Dems. They better string those fuckers up.

cheers

here here!

[DeadlyKungFu]

[Alexis Forge]

I thought this was a better direction to take:

[Alexis Forge]

or this:

[knotkranky]

or this:

damn good point. I'm cool if she voted for bush by the way.