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knotkranky wrote:
damn good point. I'm cool if she voted for bush by the way.

that's a typical man - you represent our gender well..

knotkranky wrote: .....Crimes on the scale of Bush's which could easily be argued as the biggest crimes in the last thousand years, need to be addressed.....but look at that nice piece of ass....Meh, whaddaya gunna do?

knotkranky wrote:

It's not about dems not knowing what they would do differently.

I believe, in all aspects of life, if you cannot offer an alternative then you have no right to criticize something. I know this sounds extreme at first glance but it's not.

If you criticize something you are by default saying there is a better way of doing it. How can you say this if you don't even know what the better way is?

Courses of action must be compared to alternative courses of action. Anyone can simply claim there is a better way of doing anything but not offer up the alternative for critical review.

Alexis Forge wrote:

knotkranky wrote:
damn good point. I'm cool if she voted for bush by the way.

that's a typical man - you represent our gender well..

knotkranky wrote: .....Crimes on the scale of Bush's which could easily be argued as the biggest crimes in the last thousand years, need to be addressed.....but look at that nice piece of ass....Meh, whaddaya gunna do?

I just remembered this dude I was chatting it up with somewhere in the middle of texas years ago, standing around a gas station with about four other dudes. This beauty walked by with this gorgeous ass, and the texan with his cowboy hat down low and a toothpick in his mouth says in a thick accent; "Damn ... nice turd cutter".... ....

ruprecht wrote:

knotkranky wrote:

It's not about dems not knowing what they would do differently.

I believe, in all aspects of life, if you cannot offer an alternative then you have no right to criticize something. I know this sounds extreme at first glance but it's not.

If you criticize something you are by default saying there is a better way of doing it. How can you say this if you don't even know what the better way is?

Courses of action must be compared to alternative courses of action. Anyone can simply claim there is a better way of doing anything but not offer up the alternative for critical review.

Well, the rest of my quote is important. You've cut out some context to that but, how about this for a course of action. " Don't start a impotent unjustified war with Iraq". Sounds like inaction but in this case it would have been positive action. Many tried.

I don't know how to make a movie or a souffle, but I know when it's shitty or not.

Here's a comparison of courses of action and you're right, but it cuts both ways. We had almost 300 weapons inspectors in Iraq at any one given moment long before the war. Saddam couldn't do shit for years. Iraq's arsenal was wiped out in 91' It was working great. So how can anyone not criticize bush for his own next course of action? The alternative was already working.

Point is, one can call any idea a plan. Shit plans just don't count as plans. They had a huge chance and they fucked it and us up. So bring in the new guards for better or worse. Actually worse would be real hard.

ruprecht wrote:

knotkranky wrote:

It's not about dems not knowing what they would do differently.

I believe, in all aspects of life, if you cannot offer an alternative then you have no right to criticize something. I know this sounds extreme at first glance but it's not.

If you criticize something you are by default saying there is a better way of doing it. How can you say this if you don't even know what the better way is?

Courses of action must be compared to alternative courses of action. Anyone can simply claim there is a better way of doing anything but not offer up the alternative for critical review.

Philosophically this position is untenable. I can see weaknesses in many arguments, I can see flaws in the design of a synth or product, I can see many unanswered questions in cosmology or quantum mechanics, I can see unproven theorems in mathematics. Do I have to have solved these questions before letting anyone know that I have seen them? Life is full of questions and problems - solutions can never be identified without first identifying the problem - your method leads to closed thinking and political, moral and philosophical inaction.

Oh the joy! I cant wait to have more taxes taken out of my checks!!! yesss!!!

sbyrd wrote:Oh the joy! I cant wait to have more taxes taken out of my checks!!! yesss!!!

That just might be the worst that could happen.

sbyrd wrote:Oh the joy! I cant wait to have more taxes taken out of my checks!!! yesss!!!

Is that all you got? Sorry, but there are bigger issues at play here. Security, environment, healthcare. A few extra bucks in your check ain't shit if you are dead, dying or being cooked due to global warming.

Issue one: Nip the War. Put that money towards rebuilding New Orleans and the levy system, secure the ports, chemical plants and trade centers, and take care of those troops injured in the War. Find out what Halliburton has been misappropriating and get that money back. From what I understand, this war has used up a few of your precious tax dollars... you think?

Issue Two: Fix The healthcare system. Make it affordable to be healthy and you will get to keep a bit morew of your $.

Issue three: Fix the public education system. A well-educated nation is more self sufficient and needs less welfare. Less Welfare means fewer taxes spent on the poor (because the poor are armed with the ability to feed themselves).

I think a sales tax only system would work well. Keep it saved for a rainy day and pay no taxes. Buy your third Hummer, and at least you will contribute to the nation more than just a bunch of smog... or a flat tax. Our system is SO jacked an over bloated to benefit the to 2%.

Look to the future instead of the now.

You're gonna love this gift that keeps on giving. The investigations are on! This should be quite a show. I recommend reading the whole article. It's very informative. Also check out the op-ed letters, there's some real good ones in there.




Democrats are set to subpoena
The new majority is expected to hold hearings on military spending and the Iraq war -- just for starters.
By Richard B. Schmitt and Richard Simon
Times Staff Writers

November 10, 2006

WASHINGTON — Rep. Ike Skelton knows what he will do in one of his first acts as chairman of the Armed Services Committee in the Democratic-led House: resurrect the subcommittee on oversight and investigations.

The panel was disbanded by the Republicans after they won control of Congress in 1994. Now, Skelton (D-Mo.) intends to use it as a forum to probe Pentagon spending and the Bush administration's conduct of the Iraq war.

It has been 12 years since Democrats were in control of both the House and Senate. But they are looking to make up for lost time, and in some cases, make the Bush administration and its business allies sweat.

With control of every committee in Congress starting in January, the new majority will inherit broad powers to subpoena and investigate. And that is expected to translate into wide-ranging and contentious hearings.

The agenda is likely to be dominated by the Iraq war, but could include probes into the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance, environmental policies and new prescription-drug program for seniors. Industries, such as oil companies, could also come under closer scrutiny.

"The American people sent a clear message that they do not want a rubber-stamp Congress that simply signs off the president's agenda," said Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), who is in line to become chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. "Instead, they have voted for a new direction for America and a real check and balance against government overreaching."


check out the whole thing http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... -headlines

its just sad that its taken this long, i mean everyone in the world with a few braincells have known about these things.

Meef Chaloin wrote:


its just sad that its taken this long, i mean everyone in the world with a few braincells have known about these things.

True dat. There's a little more american pride in my step today. It's been awhile.

knotkranky wrote:

Meef Chaloin wrote:


its just sad that its taken this long, i mean everyone in the world with a few braincells have known about these things.

True dat. There's a little more american pride in my step today. It's been awhile.

That's great, good to hear!

knotkranky wrote: Democrats are set to subpoena
The new majority is expected to hold hearings on military spending and the Iraq war -- just for starters.

I haven't felt this much energy in the air here since the Sooners won the championship in 2000....you can feel it! Hope!

Sure I feel cynical, but I also feel this may be one of our last hopes, so I'ma run widit.

Woot-woot! Bring on the investigations!! Send the message to the world that America is not lost, and the people will triumph!!

ruprecht wrote:
I believe, in all aspects of life, if you cannot offer an alternative then you have no right to criticize something. I know this sounds extreme at first glance but it's not.

This is a backwards notion if ever I read one. Deconstruction and intelligent critique are potential methods of improvement, even in the absence of a tangible alternative. Someone who has been subjected to oppression all their lives, for example, still has a right to desire change or revolution, despite the lack of a capacity to truly understand what an alternative might be.

ruprecht wrote:I believe, in all aspects of life, if you cannot offer an alternative then you have no right to criticize something. I know this sounds extreme at first glance but it's not.

And what's your alternative?