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Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:42 am
by 9V
I'll tell you what classical music is, for those of you who don't know. Classical music is this music that was written by a bunch of dead people a long time ago. And it's formula music, the same as top forty music is formula music. In order to have a piece be classical, it has to conform to academic standards that were the current norms of that day and age ... I think that people are entitled to be amused, and entertained. If they see deviations from this classical norm, it's probably good for their mental health. (Frank Zappa)
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:47 am
by stringtapper
9V wrote:i still don't know.
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:49 am
by 9V
The creation and destruction of harmonic and 'statistical' tensions is essential to the maintenance of compositional drama. Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consistent and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only "good guys" in it, or eating cottage cheese. (Frank Zappa)
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:54 am
by stringtapper
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:56 am
by 9V
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am
by razorblade
At this point, I'm imagining an encounter between Dave Smith and 9V that unfolds like the McLuhan scene in Annie Hall...
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:24 am
by 9V
Dave Smith, Bob Moog, Charlie Steinberg... Those were the pioneers
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:33 am
by stringtapper
razorblade wrote:At this point, I'm imagining an encounter between Dave Smith and 9V that unfolds like the McLuhan scene in Annie Hall...
Good one!
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:19 am
by 9V
stringtapper wrote:razorblade wrote:At this point, I'm imagining an encounter between Dave Smith and 9V that unfolds like the McLuhan scene in Annie Hall...
Good one!
Guess who's the "hey, little one, i am a teacher in music blablabla how dare you, you know nothing, read the book i wrote"
Please find a copy of the Cambridge History of Western Music Theory and don't embarrass yourself any further here until you have actually read it. Go read Trevor Wishart. Hell, go read Stockhausen and Eimert from Die Reihe. Until you can update your conceptions of what "music" and "composition" are and can be, there's really no reason to take you seriously regarding this topic. So I must have been dreaming when I studied Stockhausen's Studie II… (stringtapper)
Tell me again that one about the music
edited in the spectral domain 
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:41 pm
by H20nly
allow me ST
9V wrote:i still don't know, but i'll lash out dd hominem anyway.
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:33 pm
by 9V
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:34 pm
by pepezabala
9V wrote:but this is OT, by the way. The real topic is: "MIDI" tracks are still music, because they can be translated/converted into music score. Infact there is a relationship between midi events and notes. Both score notes and MIDI events are editable, replayable, writable and readable as "music". "AUDIO" tracks, instead, are sound, because they can be modified only with sound restoration tools, which are not musical parameters, but sound parameters (sound engeineering). The ones who don't understand this difference HERE are the american users, above all. Why? As far as I can understand, because for them "music" is the sound, not the code. When they say "music" they mean "the sound". Infact many of them say: "MIDI is not music, because it makes no sound". To me music is what you can edit, write, re-edit, play, read (the code). It is a matter of rules. Maybe in USA when you modify a sound you are making music, as an olistic "concept"... i don't know.
You're right, this was the definition of music in history. What has happened is that somewhere in the middle of the 20th century an american man called John Cage explained the definition of music to include all categories of sound.
You can not agree on that, but then you are probably conservative.
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:39 pm
by 9V
pepezabala wrote:9V wrote:but this is OT, by the way. The real topic is: "MIDI" tracks are still music, because they can be translated/converted into music score. Infact there is a relationship between midi events and notes. Both score notes and MIDI events are editable, replayable, writable and readable as "music". "AUDIO" tracks, instead, are sound, because they can be modified only with sound restoration tools, which are not musical parameters, but sound parameters (sound engeineering). The ones who don't understand this difference HERE are the american users, above all. Why? As far as I can understand, because for them "music" is the sound, not the code. When they say "music" they mean "the sound". Infact many of them say: "MIDI is not music, because it makes no sound". To me music is what you can edit, write, re-edit, play, read (the code). It is a matter of rules. Maybe in USA when you modify a sound you are making music, as an olistic "concept"... i don't know.
You're right, this was the definition of music in history. What has happened is that somewhere in the middle of the 20th century an american man called John Cage explained the definition of music to include all categories of sound.
You can not agree on that, but then you are probably conservative.
John Cage influenced conceptual musicology, not music in itself. 99,9% of music is still made with the old italian 1500 tonal rules.
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:14 am
by macmurphy
make...it...stop...
Re: the topic of topics: MIDI vs AUDIO ("what is music"?)
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:30 am
by antarktika
no, keep it up, a couple dozen more pages and you'll beat the propellerhead forum's tolerance for this guy.