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^^^ what he said, soundwise, it is sample based, so you can fill it up with whatever... the library is cool and certainly useful, but i also could live without it (well with any library to be honest, there is more then trillions of sample sources out there... legal for free you can fill it up with or any other sampler)
it is about the workflow and that it feels more like a multi instrument then anything else... if you 'seek' that or not, you have to decide,

try to get your hands on one for a while, a friend or shop, i played in a shop around and got instantly and badly hooked

p.s. and it makes a wicked midi controller for tons of audio softwares, it became the heart of everything i use via the computer now... ALL my existing audio softwares, Live8, Logic8, Traktor Pro, etc...

and don't be lazy and read the 25 pages!!!

1ino1eum wrote:hey, when switch to midi controler, doesn maschine can navigate in Live's browser (the left pane) ?
cheers

You can do that, but not out of the box. Same goes for any midi controller. It's just a matter of using a midi-to-keystroke translation tool like midistroke (free; mac only), QuicKeys (which is what I use for midi-to-keystroke), or Bome's (if you're on Windows).

You don't even need to use a midi controller. I could have done it all in my Live template in Maschine but I prefer to use a usb keypad for that so I always have access to it. I used a program called Controllermate to re-configure the keypad with my own keystrokes, so that the regular arrows become alt+arrows when Num Lock is on.

supamonsta wrote:

=>for this "workflow" concern, read the whole thread's 25 pages
cheers!!

SubFunk wrote:
and don't be lazy and read the 25 pages!!!

Lol ... I read the first 12 pages or so then skipped to the last couple of pages! If I read the lot I will never get to write my post.

Thanks for your thoughts guys. I think I will just get the Komplete + Core 2 deal then see what happens from there. I am not a D.J. (I have a traditional band sort of background). So far can't find a Maschine around here to try out but this thread will probably convince me to get one anyway!

I'm looking forward to buy a Maschine, but first I'd like to know:

how can you shape Maschine samples? Can you apply any kind of modulations?
Pitch envelope? long / short decay?
Can you associate modulations to velocity ?

Thanks

Dr. Zoiberg wrote:I'm looking forward to buy a Maschine, but first I'd like to know:

how can you shape Maschine samples? Can you apply any kind of modulations?
Pitch envelope? long / short decay?
Can you associate modulations to velocity ?

Thanks

looks like it, just download the manual, that's what I did.

Dr. Zoiberg wrote:I'm looking forward to buy a Maschine, but first I'd like to know:

how can you shape Maschine samples? Can you apply any kind of modulations?
Pitch envelope? long / short decay?
Can you associate modulations to velocity ?

Thanks

checking the manual is a good idea. also, keep in mind, the effects are very experimental and introduce substantial sound-shaping capabilities.

delicioso wrote:

1ino1eum wrote:hey, when switch to midi controler, doesn maschine can navigate in Live's browser (the left pane) ?
cheers

You can do that, but not out of the box. Same goes for any midi controller. It's just a matter of using a midi-to-keystroke translation tool like midistroke (free; mac only), QuicKeys (which is what I use for midi-to-keystroke), or Bome's (if you're on Windows).

You don't even need to use a midi controller. I could have done it all in my Live template in Maschine but I prefer to use a usb keypad for that so I always have access to it. I used a program called Controllermate to re-configure the keypad with my own keystrokes, so that the regular arrows become alt+arrows when Num Lock is on.

Interesting, interesting. Yea I use Bome on my mac as well with nativekontrol.

I'm going to download the maschine manual, that's also a good idea !
tkx

Subfunk

agree with u. I've had maschine for a few days and love ut absolutely. It has taken sampling to the next level. I really regret upgrading to live suite- a total waste of money. The AAS instruments suck , no originality, sheer waste. Operator is the only worthy shit in the suite shit load!

Abes have lost it totally - the focus , the market, the product.

Anand wrote:Subfunk

agree with u. I've had maschine for a few days and love ut absolutely. It has taken sampling to the next level. I really regret upgrading to live suite- a total waste of money. The AAS instruments suck , no originality, sheer waste. Operator is the only worthy shit in the suite shit load!

Abes have lost it totally - the focus , the market, the product.

Sorry but i have to call bullshit - just because you have no use for the Suite content it isnt bad, infact you just made a shitty purchase, so dont blame Ableton for that.

Actually there is plenty good stuff in the Suite - dunno why i bother writing it down but collision/corpus are sick, latin percussion is a nice to have collection etc.

Abes have lost nothing at all if you ask me - and as stated before, as good as Maschine is even in standalone - it really gets much much better when running as a plugin in Live for example - Maschine alone wouldnt cut it for me

But yea i agree that Maschine turned out just great and the way NI streamlined the whole thing is groundbreaking imho. Thats where other software developers should adopt.

Got Maschine a few days ago.
Thanks for making me spend some money, guys

At first I actually was a little disappointed because I felt like there is nothing I couldn't have done before (with live, drum racks, sampler, ...). But after a few hours I really felt the whole streamlined workflow thing going on - and since then I'm hooked.
Slicing samples/creating and playing tiny one shot sounds/making groovy patterns hasn't been this much fun in a while.
And fun is what it's all about.

Now someone just has to build the perfect python controller template for Live like the one for the Novation Nocturn...

Nick Shepherd wrote:Sorry but i have to call bullshit - just because you have no use for the Suite content it isnt bad, infact you just made a shitty purchase, so dont blame Ableton for that.

Actually there is plenty good stuff in the Suite - dunno why i bother writing it down but collision/corpus are sick, latin percussion is a nice to have collection etc.

Abes have lost nothing at all if you ask me - and as stated before, as good as Maschine is even in standalone - it really gets much much better when running as a plugin in Live for example - Maschine alone wouldnt cut it for me

But yea i agree that Maschine turned out just great and the way NI streamlined the whole thing is groundbreaking imho. Thats where other software developers should adopt.

I agree 100%!!!!

I love the Suite. If you aren't getting a lot out of it, you aren't putting anything into it!!!!!

@ Anand, i don't think i said what you think i did,

i just said ableton should watch out and learn bits and pieces...
and that i hope NI is not going the same path in the future, i also like the suite (just the price is certainly to steep) and i have no intention not to use ableton anymore, even it took clearly the backseat in certain areas.

cheers.

EDIT: damn grammar again, i hope it is correct now.

AAS not original
If all software was as original as the collision\corpus combo this world would be a better place.

SubFunk wrote:
and don't be lazy and read the 25 pages!!!

I think I read the whole thing back when it was 10-15 pages and this weekend I started over and read thru the whole thing.

This is like my favorite thread ever in this forum and it makes me excited about the product.

Seriously dude, you need to get some kind of commission from NI, I be you sold at least 10 of these things already (soon to be one more...me!).

By the way, I saw on GearSlutz people are saying Guitar Center is moving these for 499! I called and they quoted me 599, does anyone know anywhere (GC or otherwise) that letting the non-EDU go for this cheap?

I want one and I want it by this weekend!

STRATEGY

, it sounds like i would work for NI, i assure you i am not! neither for ableton nor any other software or hardware manufacturer!

i am just an extremely hard judging enduser, that knows no mercy!

cheers.