Romney Vs. Obama -----------the Debates

[nathannn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... fr9zyKqvhw

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he said it like, 'I know theres an 's' in there somewhere' lol...do all the mods have to be 100 years old?, how bout a random teenager

[H20nly]

lol "Obama bin laden". that was priceless

the way i heard it was obama's bin laden

that's how i heard it.


Romney's jaw should have a few bruises on it this morning... cuz it got jacked!


anyone else watch via Youtube or The New York Times version?
the pixelation and CD with a deep scratch style audio drove me nuts near the end... i finally gave up and bailed on the last 7 or 8 minutes.


new pic of Romney after sleeping off the debate:
http://www.ohs.osceola.k12.fl.us/staff/ ... louder.gif

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^ no doubt.

not to forget, there are important down-ballot races and local initiatives, referendums that do need attention and do directly effect life.

this.

there are two propositions for public schools on the ballot in California, prop 30 and prop 38. those need to pass. it doesn't matter if they are dem or repub crafted. both make taxes a wee bit higher... but for me, at least, i'd rather pay more taxes for schools than most other things. in this case most of the tax money goes directly to the schools, not the school administration... so it's not like paying higher taxes so that the district superintendent gets a raise. it's more like the kids get those new books... so my vote counts. a prime example of why sitting on my hands instead of voting or selecting only green party measures (for example) would be irresponsible.

As somebody who doesn’t have kids I can still sympathize with needing future people that aren’t complete retards, but as a kid of 2 teachers I believe a lot more of the problem has to do with shitty parents than school funding. They’ve taught at both low income and high income schools and there’s a distinct difference between the mentalities of the kids that has nothing to do with how much money is being thrown at the schools. I also know low income families who have kids who are doing great in school because the parents actually give a shit.

They've obviously acheived great things with all that lottery money they've been getting.

And I think a high speed train would be a cool alternative travel method to LA.

[H20nly]

And I think a high speed train would be a cool alternative travel method to LA.

you would. probably just for the sake of arguing though,... *sigh*

fuking toursists.

anyway,

does being a good parent update the computer lab?
does being a good parent keep music and art programs in school?
does being a good parent lengthen the school year by adding back all the days that have been cut?
does being a good parent give children that day of science lab they lost this year?
does being a good parent get the teachers back?

the answer to all those questions is yes... if by being a good parent you vote on the things that will make that happen. because otherwise, you're saying that being a good parent would mean writing checks to fund these things directly... or you're implying that we should all home school if we went our children to get the best education our taxed money can buy.

[H20nly]

you act like this train isn't going to stop 50 times along the way leaving the trip not only faster by plane, but faster by car... and possibly even bus. you act like the money used to fund this train that we might have in 30 years isn't needed in schools now, right now, today. California at 163,695 sq miles is more than double the size of Great Britain that clocks in at 80,823 sq miles... what that means is a lot of staring out the window while using up any form of fuel you shove in it's engine as it races across vast expanses of grass and rocks. we already have an electric rail train that people use to commute. using the money to extend that train line's infrastructure and range would be way more beneficial. i'm sorry but i don't see a lot of commuters opting to get a job in L.A. and commuting home to Bakersfield or Oakland. so why make something else that can be used for tourists when we have a state deficit that we're robbing from schools to fund while allocating the available resources to 30 year projects that offer us nothing we don't already have?



oh and what happened to

I'm sorry, I can't be bothered with this thread any more.

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I kind of feel like more aid to school is sort of like aid to Africa. It’s a fucking mess and we need to quit tossing a bandaid on everything so individuals can feel good about themselves and it never fixes the bigger problem(s).

And even more important we have to stop making kids feel like the only path is to get in debt for tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars for a piece of paper that doesn’t mean squat in most cases or you’ll be doomed to being a loser for life. I don’t support a system with that single-minded mission statement.

And not to mention part 2: Many studies have shown that the current method of testing and intelligence measuring leaves a lot of kids out in the cold and is not accurate in what they could achieve in life. The one-size-fits-all current school system is broken no matter how much money you throw at it if they are just going to keep using the same routine and methods they’ve been using for over 100 years.

I said some stuff.

The train will rule regardless.

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Nov 6 is going to be a nailbiter, tighter than ever after last night

obama was playing to win, and pretty much did, romney was playin gfor a draw, and got close enough, so....dead heat

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I'm not sure where the money gets thrown at in education, but I have a feeling more isn't going to fix the problem.

[H20nly]

^ they don't really need more money... they need what was taken away to be given back.

IMO, at bare minimum, the number of students per class should be brought back down. that provides a better environment for everyone in the room with a heartbeat... even the fish, rodents and reptiles.

i have a child though... this forces me to take notice at a more personal level. my kid has done phenomenally well on his state testing... i'm hoping that it stays that way, sure, but i would also like him to learn some things that aren't on that test like... i dunno, chord progressions


in addition, i hate to think that other kids are not getting what they need. my kid has me rooting for him... even though i'm a single parent... i still do my best to take interest and help when i can, but other kiddos might not have parents in the same situation. the reason we have public schools is so that our children can get an education. that doesn't mean they don't have to have help at home, but IMO to some extent every child, regardless of home life, should have the right to learn what they need to know to pass those state tests with flying colors. i'd gladly give a few more cents out of my paycheck to make sure someone who is not a good parent does not become the road block that keeps their child from succeeding. it's not the child's fault. i think they deserve to at least love school if they cannot love home. he/she was just born. with a good education that child can get the hell out of a bad situation. without it... they will more than likely just sow the same.

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But what about the level that state standards are at?

I mean, low standards = higher grades = better chances at employment is great but what about quality?

I don't want civil engineers building billion dollar offices that will collapse just because they passed geometry.

[H20nly]

edit: you changed your post... i'm leaving mine as is.


maybe (to your question regarding the state test standards being high enough).

but if they are not AND your child does poorly... then that is two alarm bells not one.

my child slaughtered his math and English. he was just one question away from a perfect score in math... and i think 2 each in English and Writing. so on paper he is one of the smartest kids in the state. this isn't proud daddy talk, i have the paper that says so.

the thing is... i live in this little hoity-toyty town that i really shouldn't live in. i found a cheap apartment there (above a dry cleaner so i could make music) while my child lived out of state with his mother. i'll spare you the sob story and custody battle details, but suffice it to say i now have sole physical and legal custody. so due to my single income and the fact that i'm underpaid for the work i do, i can't afford the type of housing that most of the children in town are accustomed to. the custody thing was slow and took over 3 years before i had built up enough of a case to file. it came swift after that... so i began looking at moving to somewhere more affordable... the schools sucked!! poor test scores, poor conditions, over crowding... and more. the thing that gives the school he's in an edge is that most of the families in the area are well off and THE PARENTS, not the government raised over a million extra bucks to maintain standards as best as possible last year. that works great in suburbia, but not so much in a more typical setting. he's been there since kindergarten and is now in 5th grade... my son being at this school is a pretty much fluke. i'm terrified to move now for fear of breaking something that is definitely not broken... i pay my local taxes and such, so he has every right to be there, but the fact that he is there came down to an oddity, blessing, luck or something that isn't typically a viable option for a young family with anything less than a very healthy income.

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And this whole “well rounded” concept is a bunch of horse shit. Maybe early on kids need to be exposed to different areas of study, but if they aren’t good at it or into it by their first year of high school then they probably never will be, so forcing somebody to sit through it in public school and then forcing them to sit through it AND pay for it in college is a big waste of time and money. And shit you are never going to need or use shouldn’t be 70% of your curriculum in an unrelated area of study. FFS.

And as was mentioned, think of how many advances we could have in society if we just let people do what they do best early on instead of making them first sit through 16 years (including college) of education before they can do a damn thing. FFS.

[H20nly]

yeah i knew in 7th grade that database management and GUI customization was the way to go! that's why i pounded hard on my Commodore 64 in every spare moment...

after school i was like

LOAD "snack",8,1

LOAD "homework" ,8 ,1

LOAD "database of the future",8 ,1

LOAD "pre-internet",8 ,1

LOAD "dinner",8 ,1

LOAD "toothbrush",8 ,1

LOAD "sleep",8 ,1

and that was my day. i mean pfft! how could you not know what you would want to know for the rest of your life by age 12??

i've also never actually learned anything as an adult... i just copy it from google and paste it into my steno pad pocket notebook.

good thing i didn't learn about K-Pop!

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^ they don't really need more money... they need what was taken away to be given back.

....at least, for a start

teachers, not bombs