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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:03 pm
by Mr-Bit
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Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:18 pm
by pencilrocket
Less is more

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:55 pm
by broc
Mr-Bit wrote:You can control any parameter from anywhere using a max device so no need to mix it in with your sound source tracks.
Yes, but unfortunately the timing of parameter control (API) across different tracks (threads) is not 100% accurate.

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:14 pm
by broc
glitchrock-buddha wrote:I have a hard time believing M4L devices would have such high latency even with an empty device.
On a fast computer you can reduce the latency to less than 1 ms, eg. 64/96=0.66 ms.

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:39 pm
by glitchrock-buddha
Mr-Bit wrote:You can control any parameter from anywhere using a max device so no need to mix it in with your sound source tracks.
Yes however when setting up track macros, it is very convenient and fast to have them be the first device in your track since the blue hand always selects the first device in a track when you select a track. So for control surfaces, it's best to have your main controls on the first device for quick access.

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:21 am
by casiblake
Tone Deft wrote:
casiblake wrote:Now that some people have beta access, I'd like to put this related question out there:

Has the MIDI "delay" that occurs when using a MIDI channel with monitoring set to IN or AUTO been fixed?
that's a different issue and not a bug.

set midi in to OFF when using the delay compensation. see the Driver Error Compensation lesson. it's not in the manual.

connect an output to an input, play it out, record the input (careful about feedback), measure the delay using the timeline at the bottom of Arrange View, enter the delay in the preferences, try again until you get it tight.
Sure, if I was referring to using MIDI with hardware, that would work. And I've done it before.

But there is a tangible delay when playing VSTs live with a keyboard, when a MIDI channel is set to IN or AUTO monitoring. Every other DAW I have used does not have this problem.

No I do not mean audio interface latency, I'm using an RME Multiface II at 64 samples in Live, Reaper and Logic. Live adds further delay to the MIDI that I play in (when MIDI channel monitoring is not OFF), Reaper and Logic do not.

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:48 am
by crumhorn
casiblake wrote: But there is a tangible delay when playing VSTs live with a keyboard, when a MIDI channel is set to IN or AUTO monitoring. Every other DAW I have used does not have this problem.
I've noticed a similar effect when playing instrument plugins live. I generally resort to turning off PDC altogether which seems to fix it. It's seems Live is applying PDC to the track even when playing live.

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:24 am
by theophilus
it is applying PDC. you can turn that off with 'reduced latency while monitoring'.

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:15 pm
by crumhorn
theophilus wrote:it is applying PDC. you can turn that off with 'reduced latency while monitoring'.
So that's what "reduced latency while monitoring" does!

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:53 pm
by casiblake
Crum and Theo, thank you! I will give this a try. Though I doubt it'll help much to keep my ESX in sync... fickle thing.

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:16 pm
by MrFingerDrums
silence is golden

I think this is how the program is and that it

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:25 pm
by paulmaddox
MrFingerDrums wrote:silence is golden

I think this is how the program is and that it
Sadly, I think that's probably true

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:34 pm
by simpli.cissimus
MrFingerDrums wrote:silence is golden
Especially after Sonar X2, Cubase SX 7 release and their price tags.
The features included will not be available in Live till version 15...

Not to mention that their software work as promised !

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:14 pm
by DMuzik
*BUMP* Any news on this?

Re: LIVE 9 : PDC IMPROVED OR NOT ?

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:34 pm
by pencilrocket
no news is good news