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Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:28 am
by JuanSOLO
Tarekith wrote:Too late for that IMO, it'll probably be the other way around.
Thats what I'm afraid of. I put a lot of time in to Live to do what I am doing now, and for that I will be sticking with Live for a long while, as well as using all kinds of Bomes and APC40 hacks, M4L etc. If Live 9 dosent come correct with recording automation from my blue handed knobs in session view, I will be VERY disappointed in Ableton. It's notions like that, that I am ever so curious of the bitwigs.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:34 am
by friend_kami
i did notice in the trailer though that although it has automation, it doesn't seem to have curves. even the "curves" in the screenshots aren't curves, just carefully placed out automation points.
made me kind of sad, that.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:09 am
by Machinesworking
I'm not going to read too much into what it has or doesn't have from what they list as features at the moment.
Waiting until the beta is out that people are able to discuss openly seems like the rational thing to do.
There are however a lot of features that it does have that Live 8 does not, and that's interesting to me.
First off a Linux version just doesn't seem to be in Ableton's roadmap, that right there for some is pretty important.
Same with dual monitor support and recording automation to clips. Dual monitor and Linux support seem like personal choices, but the word from Ableton years ago was that session automation would require a rewrite of Live, and that, simply could have been the big argument that broke off the guys who started Bitwig, that they thought it was worth it to invest the couple years it would take to write the program again from scratch, while the heads at Ableton did not. Anyway, it should be interesting to see what Bitwig brings to the table for sure.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:12 am
by JuanSOLO
Machinesworking wrote:and that, simply could have been the big argument that broke off the guys who started Bitwig, that they thought it was worth it to invest the couple years it would take to write the program again from scratch, while the heads at Ableton did not.
precisely my assumption when I first heard about the bitwig.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:39 am
by Machinesworking
JuanSOLO wrote:Machinesworking wrote:and that, simply could have been the big argument that broke off the guys who started Bitwig, that they thought it was worth it to invest the couple years it would take to write the program again from scratch, while the heads at Ableton did not.
precisely my assumption when I first heard about the bitwig.
In a way I hope we're right, for us the end users, and in another way as far as drama and just the sadness of maybe making a poor business choice on Ableton's part, I hope we're wrong.
JuanSOLO wrote:Interesting, so in some ways is it like what Kore does using performance presets?
Yeah, except is seems Mainstage is leaner than Kore. Definitely less sloppy looking to set up, each patch changes all the tracks in Mainstage around to the new configuration. In Kore it's nested tracks that have to be muted/unmuted and saved as presets.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:55 am
by pencilrocket
Someone is trying to lead the ripping off software as competition. Cloning software isn't competition
No one calls chinese iPhone replica as competitor even if they had more features.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:22 am
by Machinesworking
pencilrocket wrote:Someone is trying to lead the ripping off software as competition. Cloning software isn't competition
No one calls chinese iPhone replica as competitor even if they had more features.
Again, Studio Vision had "clips" you could launch before Live did, which is Live's main big innovation selling point. Every software company takes from the others, and if the people actually worked for and helped design the "features" they've "ripped off" then the whole thing becomes redundant. Again, I will use what works better for my particular workflow with little regard to who was first.
The exact same thing applied to Cubase and Logic, and arguably both ripped off Studio Vision and Performer. all of them applied the same tools to audio when they got audio that Pro Tools had..... it's a big rip off clusterfuck and pretending anything is truly unique is ignoring all the similarities.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:50 am
by Ryanmf
pencilrocket wrote:Nothing I say ever makes any sense. Why do you people keep responding to me?
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:55 am
by JuanSOLO
Ryanmf wrote:pencilrocket wrote:Nothing I say ever makes any sense. Why do you people keep responding to me?
Did rocketman really say that, I cant find it anywhere.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:02 am
by Machinesworking
Ryanmf wrote:pencilrocket wrote:Nothing I say ever makes any sense. Why do you people keep responding to me?
Because I found out pecilrocket is really a very, very hot russian girl in her 20's who wants to come visit me if I send her plane ticket money via Western Union!
This should be no problem as I just gave all my personal information to a nice banker from Kenya. It seems a distant cousin decided to leave me a million dollars!
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:04 am
by nycmex77
Machinesworking wrote:Ryanmf wrote:pencilrocket wrote:Nothing I say ever makes any sense. Why do you people keep responding to me?
Because I found out pecilrocket is really a very, very hot russian girl in her 20's who wants to come visit me if I send her plane ticket money via Western Union!
This should be no problem as I just gave all my personal information to a nice banker from Kenya. It seems a distant cousin decided to leave me a million dollars!
is this her lol
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:18 am
by pencilrocket
Machinesworking wrote:pencilrocket wrote:Someone is trying to lead the ripping off software as competition. Cloning software isn't competition
No one calls chinese iPhone replica as competitor even if they had more features.
Again, Studio Vision had "clips" you could launch before Live did, which is Live's main big innovation selling point. Every software company takes from the others, and if the people actually worked for and helped design the "features" they've "ripped off" then the whole thing becomes redundant. Again, I will use what works better for my particular workflow with little regard to who was first.
The exact same thing applied to Cubase and Logic, and arguably both ripped off Studio Vision and Performer. all of them applied the same tools to audio when they got audio that Pro Tools had..... it's a big rip off clusterfuck and pretending anything is truly unique is ignoring all the similarities.
Your argument doesn't make sense. Did you read my post? I didn't call whole Android devices in the market copy products. Did legal competitors design their device exacly same design as iPhone or iOS? If so, haven't they been sued by Apple?
That is the point. Making nearly 1:1 poduct of other perticular product is called cloning here. Using and implimenting other companys' ideas for their one product in deffernt way is common. We aren't arguing about this from the begining. You are gereralizing things too much, and loosing definition of the word plagiarism, and loosing the point of the arguments.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:32 am
by JuanSOLO
pencilrocket wrote:You are gereralizing things too much, and loosing definition of the word plagiarism, and loosing the point of the arguments.
Oh rocketman,.....your so cute when you get frustrated.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:34 am
by pencilrocket
Full of BW fanboy troll.
Re: finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta soon...
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:35 am
by nathannn
