Camel's Alchemy: Wanna be convinced?

xherv · Post by **xherv** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:39 am

The feature set looks great and the demo sounds seem nice (like, much better than average) - does anyone know what the CPU burden is like? For me that's a big deal, I really don't like freezing tracks, and like being able to mix as much as possible with access to instrument controls rather than just effects down the chain.

xherv · Post by **xherv** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:11 am

epiphanius wrote:
is it just me or women talking in music products jut sounds annoying?
Are you a Sarah Connor Chronicles fan? She sounds considerably like the CEO of ZeiraCorp:

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/0 ... rs-b.html

I had not realized the actor is the lead singer of the band Garbage, a band I have only heard of, not listened to.

Just clicked this out of boredom, that she has a computer named The Turk is actually a pretty cool play. The Turk was the name of a 17th or 18th century chess playing 'automaton'. Actually the unit was a large cabinet with a board on top and a mechanical (and Turkish styled) mannequin that could actually move pieces; stuffed underneath was a lot of useless gearing and a small compartment where you could stuff a willing grandmaster.

Pretty astute reference in a TV show about killer robots.

-xherv, blowing out geek detectors since '82

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:15 am

glitchrock-buddha wrote:
sparklepuff wrote:VIDEOS WON'T MOTHERFLIPPIN' LOAD. IS MY 2.33 GHZ MACBOOK PRO W/4 GIGS OF RAM AND A CABLE INTERNET CONNECTION NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO WATCH THEIR STUPID ASS VIDEOS.

/complaining
They work fine for me. I've watched them a couple times.

Anyways, how about try downloading instead:
http://www2.camelaudio.com/video/

Thank you, sir, it worked a charm. Watching now.

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:19 am

Brand new product same old sounds. Nice.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:49 am

xherv wrote:
epiphanius wrote:
is it just me or women talking in music products jut sounds annoying?
Are you a Sarah Connor Chronicles fan? She sounds considerably like the CEO of ZeiraCorp:

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/0 ... rs-b.html

I had not realized the actor is the lead singer of the band Garbage, a band I have only heard of, not listened to.
Just clicked this out of boredom, that she has a computer named The Turk is actually a pretty cool play. The Turk was the name of a 17th or 18th century chess playing 'automaton'. Actually the unit was a large cabinet with a board on top and a mechanical (and Turkish styled) mannequin that could actually move pieces; stuffed underneath was a lot of useless gearing and a small compartment where you could stuff a willing grandmaster.

Pretty astute reference in a TV show about killer robots.

-xherv, blowing out geek detectors since '82

Just as an aside, I'm the exact same age as Shirley Manson, same birthday even. I don't look half as good as she does though, always thought she was pretty smoking!

Alchemy looks pretty cool, I'm too broke and have too many options as it is though, need to learn the tools I have.

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:49 pm

dbolt wrote: I wish they would put a date on this release I hate looking at they're site twice a day.... But it keeps tempting me to purchase Camel Space and Camel Phat....

Space rocks... I like that plug...

UKRuss · Post by **UKRuss** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:18 pm

xherv wrote:
epiphanius wrote:
is it just me or women talking in music products jut sounds annoying?
Are you a Sarah Connor Chronicles fan? She sounds considerably like the CEO of ZeiraCorp:

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/0 ... rs-b.html

I had not realized the actor is the lead singer of the band Garbage, a band I have only heard of, not listened to.
Just clicked this out of boredom, that she has a computer named The Turk is actually a pretty cool play. The Turk was the name of a 17th or 18th century chess playing 'automaton'. Actually the unit was a large cabinet with a board on top and a mechanical (and Turkish styled) mannequin that could actually move pieces; stuffed underneath was a lot of useless gearing and a small compartment where you could stuff a willing grandmaster.

Pretty astute reference in a TV show about killer robots.

-xherv, blowing out geek detectors since '82

Totally geeking out...but The Turk in SCC is a chess playing computer...or that's how it started in series one...but it learns to take over the world and build skynet and eventually lead to the enslavement of manking by machines. typical.

Also, I'm sure while all scottish people sound the same to non brits, the girl in the Alcehm,y vids clearly has a highlands accent wheasr Shirly is from Glasgow.

Tsk, really.

I am a SCC fanboy.

djfm · Post by **djfm** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:31 pm

looking forward to trying the demo. It reminds me of omsiphere but with the added feature of adding you own samples.

scientist · Post by **scientist** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:13 pm

xherv wrote:does anyone know what the CPU burden is like?

probably huge. there's some discussion about it on the kvr forum. they stated that they didn't want CPU efficiency to burden the concept, so even the fastest computers may hit a wall.

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:28 pm

scientist wrote:
xherv wrote:does anyone know what the CPU burden is like?
probably huge. there's some discussion about it on the kvr forum. they stated that they didn't want CPU efficiency to burden the concept, so even the fastest computers may hit a wall.

Actually they've stated that the efficiency has improved over cameleon5000 quite drastically. So if you were to design the exact same patches in Alchemy that you did in cameleon, Alchemy would use less cpu. However, with the shear number of features and modulation possibilities, it is obviously going to be possible to create very cpu intensive patches. With up to 600 partials, 5 mod sources per parameter, 16 MSEGs, 16 arps, 16 step sequencers, 16 lfo's, 4 sources with granular, additive, spectral resynthesis, 15 filters etc. Obviously you could pile on so much processing that it'll hurt. They said the most cpu intensive patch they created used 50% cpu (not sure of the machine but assuming it's a modern core duo type).

epiphanius · Post by **epiphanius** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:49 pm

"the girl in the Alcehm,y vids clearly has a highlands accent wheasr Shirly is from Glasgow. "

I have spotted, or maybe correctly guessed Glasgowegian on occasion, and would not have guessed that of Shirley <googling, imdbing, etc>

She does not have a Wikepedia entry yet, but was born in Edinburgh:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1276549/.

To my Canadian (UK parents, one from Glasgow) ear, the highland and Edinburgh accents are closer to each other than either is to the Glasgowegian. I am not an expert by any means, and UKRuss has direct experience, so I will defer.

Cheers,

e.

bufferstroker · Post by **bufferstroker** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:12 am

this is clearly an attempt to make some sort of software only version of kyma that is affordable. maybe its just me cause i own a kyma system but it has alot of the main selling points that kyma offers.

not saying this is a bad thing. i love my kyma system very very much but if this had of come out a year or so ago i probably would have saved a bundle of cash and just gone for this......

epiphanius · Post by **epiphanius** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:16 am

>>it has alot of the main selling points that kyma offers.

I'd like to hear more - I would be interested in buying Kyma, but the price is way way beyond me. I had understood it to be more of an algorithmic sequencing instrument as much as a synth, whereas I see Alchemy as a synth workstation without the sequencing / generative tools in Kyma.

bufferstroker · Post by **bufferstroker** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:37 am

true, kyma does offer some very special and unique ways of sequencing data. but unless your up for using smalltalk i'd say the majority of the time i stay clear of the generative side of kyma at the moment. not ready to dive that far into the blackhole yet.

Alchemy looks really really cool as a synth and easy sample mangler. I was meaning more about the sampling, spectral and re-synthesis part of alchemy was what reminded me about kyma.

scientist · Post by **scientist** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:14 am

bufferstroker wrote:the sampling, spectral and re-synthesis part of alchemy was what reminded me about kyma.

and that's the part of kyma that most attracts customers, so it'll be interesting to see if alchemy will be major competition. we'll just have to wait and see what the new symbolic sound product is. funny that both companies have stuff coming out around the same time, as you can get a sense for who has the best marketing. camel audio are very transparent and open about what they've got coming and it has everyone talking. symbolic sound are going for the "mysterious" angle and no one seems to know and/or care. hell, their latest "news" item is from 2006 and the only reason i know they've got something new coming is that the info accidentally leaked on matrixsynth.