Price for MFL?????

Sibanger · Post by **Sibanger** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:11 am

looprication wrote:
Sibanger wrote:It's gotta be free, considering the high price of the Live 8 upgrade.
Where did you see information on a Live 8 upgrade?

I'm actually still on 6, version 7 didn't seem to have enough features to warrant an upgrade... 8 is a *much* different story.

Cheers,

-ix

http://www.ableton.com/live-8-upgrades

Sibanger · Post by **Sibanger** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:14 am

nbinder wrote:
Sibanger wrote:It's gotta be free, considering the high price of the Live 8 upgrade.
It won't. Remember you will get Max, which you have to buy seperately right now...

I always thought that the rolling eyes was a sign for sarcasm/joking.

Maybe I should've winked. Sorry.

condra · Post by **condra** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:21 am

LOL I hate when that happens.

God damn internet.

Korhan · Post by **Korhan** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:24 am

MFL is a good buy only for people who have experience in algorithmic approach to music making, with good knowledge of physics of sound etc. Software like Max and Pure Data have steep learning curves that will take a regular musicians out of their way for months. People should really think twice before investing in MFL, no matter how much it costs.

condra · Post by **condra** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:28 am

Korhan wrote:MFL is a good buy only for people who have experience in algorithmic approach to music making, with good knowledge of physics of sound etc. Software like Max and Pure Data have steep learning curves that will take a regular musicians out of their way for months. People should really think twice before investing in MFL, no matter how much it costs.

Yeah, I think if it's expensive, there will be a lot of people asking for "MFL Runtime".

bendybones · Post by **bendybones** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:31 am

lola wrote:Most stuff in the 149 range, are tools developed by the ablteton team itself right?
So this time i would not be surprised that the price would be a little higher as "normal"
What the price would be exactly?..hell..i dunno

i would say that aside from Orchestral Instrument Collection @ $600, everything except Live itself is in the 149 price range.
That includes all the AAS and chocolate Audio collabs.

Korhan wrote:MFL is a good buy only for people who have experience in algorithmic approach to music making, with good knowledge of physics of sound etc. Software like Max and Pure Data have steep learning curves that will take a regular musicians out of their way for months. People should really think twice before investing in MFL, no matter how much it costs.

Not too convinced by this point.
If it's a decent price like the rest of the Abe stuff, peeps will buy it to get access to other people's creations.
And more importantly I think the fact that it comes with reconfigurable examples and there will be loads of tutorials makes it alot easier yo dive into that Max proper.
My 2c

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:32 am

Korhan wrote:MFL is a good buy only for people who have experience in algorithmic approach to music making, with good knowledge of physics of sound etc. Software like Max and Pure Data have steep learning curves that will take a regular musicians out of their way for months. People should really think twice before investing in MFL, no matter how much it costs.

Well, you've forgotten the fact that regular guys like me wont be able to use all of the neat stuff those super smart people will be inventing, the MFL step sequencer for the APC 40 for example, unless we buy MFL.

So, for that reason alone MFL looks appealing to a regular Joe like myself, as long as the price is right of course. $400-$500 price range and I wont consider it. $150-$200, sure I'll think about it.

And down the road, who knows, maybe I will get the urge to learn how to invent my own cool thing.

looprication · Post by **looprication** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:43 am

Sibanger wrote:
http://www.ableton.com/live-8-upgrades

OK, it's loop again, I guess I have two accounts

Shit, so the upgrade from 6-8 is $249?? Damn...

Anyone know if I can just upgrade to 7 and then upgrade to 8 after it's been released? What's that gonna cost me? It says 6-7 upgrade is $119. OK, cool. But I don't see a well-defined upgrade path from 6-7-8...

Can anyone tell me what the upgrade price is from 7-8? I'm not seeing that 'cuz I'm only on 6.

Thanks!!

Cheers,

-ix

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:47 am

Download is $189 -30 coupon.

Not bad!

deva · Post by **deva** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:01 am

Korhan wrote:MFL is a good buy only for people who have experience in algorithmic approach to music making, with good knowledge of physics of sound etc. Software like Max and Pure Data have steep learning curves that will take a regular musicians out of their way for months. People should really think twice before investing in MFL, no matter how much it costs.

Hey, I'm gonna buy MfL and sit back and let all the geeks make cool devices which I will use

condra · Post by **condra** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:21 am

deva wrote: Hey, I'm gonna buy MfL and sit back and let all the geeks make cool devices which I will use

My new sig.

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Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:51 am

My guess is MFL will cost between $300 and $479. It includes everything from the Max/MSP Jitter package, and I don't think there's any way it will get bellow $300, hope I'm wrong but.

My biggest questions now are if Jitter is going to be integrated in Live in a way to use it real time. So you could run videos synced to the music, that fired different parts when different clips or scenes are fired? This would be freaking awsome!

The other one is on copy protection. Cycling 74 don't allow you to sell Max/MSP, and they use either PACE or iLock. How does this work with MFL? Are we going to see PACE/iLock and what exactly are they going to offer the random person who gives up on Live, decides that Logic/Cubase/Pro Tools is more to their needs? None of this is really that important to me, but like you guys are mentioning, if you get desperate to get more CPU and want to offline process some Jitter stuff on another computer, is PACE gonna kick in and screw the pooch??
I don't think that most companies implement copy protection to prevent a single user from using their desktop and laptop together to get more CPU? Let's face it, it's there to prevent you from "loaning" copies to all your friends.

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:17 am

Machinesworking wrote:The other one is on copy protection. Cycling 74 don't allow you to sell Max/MSP, and they use either PACE or iLock. How does this work with MFL? Are we going to see PACE/iLock and what exactly are they going to offer the random person who gives up on Live, decides that Logic/Cubase/Pro Tools is more to their needs?

I'm pretty certain they said MFL will be using the Live copy protection.

I think it was in a post by the Cycling '74 developer that's been posting here (Jeremy?), either here or on the Cycling '74 forums.

**EDIT** Link to post....

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... c&start=23

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:33 am

Machinesworking wrote:My guess is MFL will cost between $300 and $479. It includes everything from the Max/MSP Jitter package, and I don't think there's any way it will get bellow $300, hope I'm wrong but.

run videos synced to the music, that fired different parts when different clips or scenes are fired? This would be freaking awsome!

get a music video from archive.org or the band's web site, drop it into track 1 in arrange view, warp the music (video follows.) put track markers on interesting parts of the track, assign those to a midi note. hit play, play those notes, you're doing real time video cuts. you can also mute the audio on track 1, and cut the video to other music (play with the 'back to arrangement button'). then there's the midi feedback control trick to automtically cut up the video. and so on...

The other one is on copy protection. Cycling 74 don't allow you to sell Max/MSP, and they use either PACE or iLock. How does this work with MFL? Are we going to see PACE/iLock and what exactly are they going to offer the random person who gives up on Live, decides that Logic/Cubase/Pro Tools is more to their needs? None of this is really that important to me, but like you guys are mentioning, if you get desperate to get more CPU and want to offline process some Jitter stuff on another computer, is PACE gonna kick in and screw the pooch??

once data hits Live, the tiger is out of its cage. run max runtime (free) and rewire the data into that or use UDP, I don't know how video would be transmitted, I'm sure it can be done, it's freaking jitter and max, you can do anything you want.

deva · Post by **deva** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:07 am

Machinesworking wrote:My guess is MFL will cost between $300 and $479. It includes everything from the Max/MSP Jitter package, and I don't think there's any way it will get bellow $300, hope I'm wrong but.

I'd guess $300+