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LesPasta wrote:i would like to see people open their mind and get curious about music... especially hiphop....

the music you guys are commenting on is just pop/top 40 music...

if you want less kanye it is simple, just turn off the radio, mtv etc. ....

if you want to hear good hip[hop music check out stonesthrow records, that would be a good start... maybe something produced by 9th wonder, pete rock or the rza.... dudley perkins, georgia ann muldrow, mf doom, dj premier....

honestly, some of the comments ive read in this thread make it hard to believe this is a forum for creative people.

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I will co-sign this post. I went from a really ignorant, uninformed stance on hip-hop, saying that I hated it, etc. when I was a teenager because I wasn't looking in the right places and even when I was in the right place I refused to open up and broaden my tastes. When I got to college I was fortunate to room with a hip-hop "band" (they played traditional instruments along with mpc's, etc.) and they showed me some stuff that I absolutely loved.

I admit that I'm still not nearly as informed about the history and major players in the genre, so take my taste with a grain of salt. One of my favorite sources for the "underground" stuff is Adult Swim, plain and simple. I love listening to the tracks they choose for their little advertising spots. This, along with my roommates in college, is where I was first exposed to the likes of 9th Wonder, J Dilla, MF Doom, Dangermouse, Dabrye, etc. Since then, I have remained not as informed as I ought to be out of laziness, but more importantly, many elements of hip hop production style have thankfully infected my own work. I'm absolutely addicted to the rhythm and flow that naturally emerge from chopping audio and rearranging it in a sequence. Hip-hop taught me to appreciate negative space in my arrangements better than Minimal Techno ever did. The power of that little place between where a sample slice ends and the next one begins is one of the most important things I ever learned about music.

I guess that ended up being more a reflection on what I love about the genre rather than what I want to see it do in the future, but maybe that's exactly what I needed to go through before I could answer the original question:

I want to see MORE sampling (not less, as others have said), but from different sources. It's pretty routine to sample from old Soul and Jazz records (but even the potential of that hasn't been close to fully exhausted) but it's something entirely different to engage in sample-based sound design in service of hip-hop. I remember being incredibly inspired by Prefuse 73 when I first heard "One Word Extinguisher." Those little snippets of field recordings of coffee shops and public spaces interspersed with some of the rawest beats I've heard just got me incredibly hyped about musical possibilities in sampling. Also, I want to hear more Dabrye-style basslines I know, it's kind of trendy at this point but I just respond so positively to those bursts of noise that are fine-tuned into swinging basses.

This post was more rambling and opinionated than my contributions tend to me, so I better strap on the flame-proof jacket!

- Nick

More Flying Lotus.

Less songs in the Top Fourty. Doesn't matter what Genre top fourty is rarely good.

Less Hip hop used in marketing.

Less re used beats, melodys and samples BY THE SAME PRODUCER. The Neptunes are the worst at this.

More Flying Lotus.

Just as an addict needs to hit rock-bottom before he/she truly reforms, so goes Hip Hop, so I say...more Soulja Boy...

[quote="LesPasta"]i would like to see people open their mind and get curious about music... especially hiphop....

the music you guys are commenting on is just pop/top 40 music...

if you want less kanye it is simple, just turn off the radio, mtv etc. ....

if you want to hear good hip[hop music check out stonesthrow records, that would be a good start... maybe something produced by 9th wonder, pete rock or the rza.... dudley perkins, georgia ann muldrow, mf doom, dj premier....

honestly, some of the comments ive read in this thread make it hard to believe this is a forum for creative people.


dont be afraid to venture out to a record store or even online and listen to some music that isnt so mainstream...



Agree with you wholeheartedly.

Hiphop needs: A new album from Justin Warfield or someone who can fill his shoes.

If you don't know who he is, go pick up My Field Trip to Planet 9.

Hiphop also needs more MC Paul Barman and another Wu Tang Clan circa 1994.

I for one would like to see "hip-hop" be as taboo a word as "trance". Ultimately changing everything hip-hop has become. Or if they could just make hip-hop what it used to be back in the day, when it was fun. Stuff like Kid n Play, Fresh Prince, Heavy D, etc. While I appreciate the trancey lead synth, I think hip-hop has become a pathetic genre, unless of course we are talking about underground, which still pretty much rocks. All the crap they play on the radio, SUCKS!!! Not saying I could do any better, but surely these million dollar studios with their multi-million dollar rappers and the producer that yells some random expletive in the background to get writers credits to the song could do a lot better.

McQ714 wrote:I for one would like to see "hip-hop" be as taboo a word as "trance". Ultimately changing everything hip-hop has become. Or if they could just make hip-hop what it used to be back in the day, when it was fun. Stuff like Kid n Play, Fresh Prince, Heavy D, etc. While I appreciate the trancey lead synth, I think hip-hop has become a pathetic genre, unless of course we are talking about underground, which still pretty much rocks. All the crap they play on the radio, SUCKS!!! Not saying I could do any better, but surely these million dollar studios with their multi-million dollar rappers and the producer that yells some random expletive in the background to get writers credits to the song could do a lot better.

Well done and good idea!

contakt321 wrote:

McQ714 wrote:I for one would like to see "hip-hop" be as taboo a word as "trance". Ultimately changing everything hip-hop has become. Or if they could just make hip-hop what it used to be back in the day, when it was fun. Stuff like Kid n Play, Fresh Prince, Heavy D, etc. While I appreciate the trancey lead synth, I think hip-hop has become a pathetic genre, unless of course we are talking about underground, which still pretty much rocks. All the crap they play on the radio, SUCKS!!! Not saying I could do any better, but surely these million dollar studios with their multi-million dollar rappers and the producer that yells some random expletive in the background to get writers credits to the song could do a lot better.

Well done and good idea!

hip hop is how you live.
rap is something you do.

hip hop is a culture with 5 or so elements (depending on who you ask and which forum you're ranting on): rapping, break dancing, graffiti, turntablism, beat boxing, some throw black history ('knowledge of self') in there.

Tone Deft wrote:
hip hop is how you live.
rap is something you do.

hip hop is a culture with 5 or so elements (depending on who you ask and which forum you're ranting on): rapping, break dancing, graffiti, turntablism, beat boxing, some throw black history ('knowledge of self') in there.

i hope you're kidding. that's exactly the type of jibberish i expected to get from the hiphop community. nothing against you personally, but what if i told you that techno was a way of life!!! that just doesn't make any sense and it just isn't so. Who do you think benefits most from the hip hop way of life? how about corporate america?! i say you're no longer hip hop when you make an album that sells a million copies. you are then mainstream!

McQ714 wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:
hip hop is how you live.
rap is something you do.

hip hop is a culture with 5 or so elements (depending on who you ask and which forum you're ranting on): rapping, break dancing, graffiti, turntablism, beat boxing, some throw black history ('knowledge of self') in there.

i hope you're kidding. that's exactly the type of jibberish i expected to get from the hiphop community. nothing against you personally, but what if i told you that techno was a way of life!!! that just doesn't make any sense and it just isn't so. Who do you think benefits most from the hip hop way of life? how about corporate america?! i say you're no longer hip hop when you make an album that sells a million copies. you are then mainstream!

Haha. That stupid stuff always cracks me up.

Sorry folks, hip-hop is a genre. Is techno how you live? Is pop? Is jazz? This way of thinking is an excuse for people to run around and sound foolish using slang that doesn't sound natural to them and live in some sort of fantasy land.

Hip-hop is a genre.
Rap is a genre. Rap is also something you do.
Hip-hop and Rap are often used as interchangable words for the same genre.
Some fans say they listen to hip-hop to seem elitist over people who use the word rap.

Who cares?

McQ714 wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:
hip hop is how you live.
rap is something you do.

hip hop is a culture with 5 or so elements (depending on who you ask and which forum you're ranting on): rapping, break dancing, graffiti, turntablism, beat boxing, some throw black history ('knowledge of self') in there.

i hope you're kidding. that's exactly the type of jibberish i expected to get from the hiphop community. nothing against you personally, but what if i told you that techno was a way of life!!! that just doesn't make any sense and it just isn't so. Who do you think benefits most from the hip hop way of life? how about corporate america?! i say you're no longer hip hop when you make an album that sells a million copies. you are then mainstream!

you've never heard that before? look it up. I'll take KRS One's advice over yours, this has been established for decades.

yes hip hop culture has become extremely commercialized, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it doesn't mean there are people that believe in it.

I would like more Hip-Hop like "The Wildstyle" by TimeZone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDI5eTEMxTY&fmt=18

Tone Deft wrote:

McQ714 wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:
I'll take KRS One's advice over yours, this has been established for decades.

yes hip hop culture has become extremely commercialized, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it doesn't mean there are people that believe in it.

I will say, KRS is a pretty standup guy, but in all honesty, he isn't relevant anymore. He hasn't made a good record in nearly a decade, lets be honest and I will quickly add Public Enemy to that category as well. I have the utmost respect and appreciation for what they contributed in creating and defining a genre, however their time has passed.

As sad as it is, their recent music just isn't good. They, like many (NOT ALL) rappers from the late 80's and 90's are caught in this weird place where it seems they are trying to sound current but fail, yet have lost their magic of yesteryear.

It's sad.

To bring it back to the original topic, hip-hop needs to reinvent itself as it's been stagnant for ages. There are a myriad of reasons, and I don't know if it's possible but it's certainly necessary. I think it will be a few years before we see some sort of significant change.

I live a EDM lifestyle, and I live by it. Day in day out since I discovered it.

Dancing, Music, Girls, and you can't forget the liquid drugs.

HIP HOP not included.

Never have I ever wanted to expand my mind with Hip Hop blaring.

levimoniz wrote:

McQ714 wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:
hip hop is how you live.
rap is something you do.

hip hop is a culture with 5 or so elements (depending on who you ask and which forum you're ranting on): rapping, break dancing, graffiti, turntablism, beat boxing, some throw black history ('knowledge of self') in there.

i hope you're kidding. that's exactly the type of jibberish i expected to get from the hiphop community. nothing against you personally, but what if i told you that techno was a way of life!!! that just doesn't make any sense and it just isn't so.

I hope you're kidding

Why? His point is perfect. Explain why it ISN'T.