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A genre is a bunch of people remixing one person's idea.

oblique strategies wrote:http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

oh my god..this soo bad... but there isnt a law against false info, or?

3phase wrote:

oblique strategies wrote:http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

oh my god..this soo bad... but there isnt a law against false info, or?

Yeah - there is. Its illegal to post bullshit on the internet. Unfortunately, most people are ignorant of this law.

Slightlydelic wrote:

davepermen wrote:please no. we're forced to play the same tunes that we played ten years ago with no chance to play anything new, or own, or what ever.

do you think that's good that way? definitely not. and back in the days, those people started listening to that music as it was new, and they wanted something new. strange, how fast they could stagnate, and now sit on their own "oldies but goldies"... not leaving room for any new music.


new just for being new, no thanks. but giving new equal chance to old stuff, please yes. we're trying to produce music, not? if no one wants to listen to anything new, for who do we actually work for?

so you mean new in the literal sence of they havent heard this tune before and so wont accept it and are resisting progress.

that seems like a realy backward attitude and not what i want to give more power too.


what i dislike is good music good producers and great vibes faling out of favour for the sake of a fashionable new. Mainly because it doesnt seem to happem with a natural progression, there's no real evolution.

genres fuck things up, the more we apply them, the more rigid and identikit the music becomes untill it cant progress and can only move over for another rigidly defined identikit genre.

yep, exactly. if it isn't the "big trance from the 90ies", it's not accepted. insomnia from faithless is accepted, f.e., or zombie nation, or push, from universal nation, etc.. just everything from the "big days of trance".

for now about 10 years, everyone in switzerland is crying "trance is dying, we have to fight against that" and tadaah, a new remember party gets launched, with the same <2000 tracks. no wonder it's dying if you don't want it to live with new stuff.

and stuff that isn't trance doesn't even really get accepted.

it's a real sad state in here. and about 2 years ago even sony moved out of switzerland, stating electronic music has no platform in that country, lets just don't support it anymore.

and all we have is a bunch of whiny idiots who don't bring us further one step by just replaying their "best times" again and again.

really sad how the most innovative guys so quickly got "old"...

davepermen wrote:

Slightlydelic wrote:

davepermen wrote:please no. we're forced to play the same tunes that we played ten years ago with no chance to play anything new, or own, or what ever.

do you think that's good that way? definitely not. and back in the days, those people started listening to that music as it was new, and they wanted something new. strange, how fast they could stagnate, and now sit on their own "oldies but goldies"... not leaving room for any new music.


new just for being new, no thanks. but giving new equal chance to old stuff, please yes. we're trying to produce music, not? if no one wants to listen to anything new, for who do we actually work for?

so you mean new in the literal sence of they havent heard this tune before and so wont accept it and are resisting progress.

that seems like a realy backward attitude and not what i want to give more power too.


what i dislike is good music good producers and great vibes faling out of favour for the sake of a fashionable new. Mainly because it doesnt seem to happem with a natural progression, there's no real evolution.

genres fuck things up, the more we apply them, the more rigid and identikit the music becomes untill it cant progress and can only move over for another rigidly defined identikit genre.

yep, exactly. if it isn't the "big trance from the 90ies", it's not accepted. insomnia from faithless is accepted, f.e., or zombie nation, or push, from universal nation, etc.. just everything from the "big days of trance".

for now about 10 years, everyone in switzerland is crying "trance is dying, we have to fight against that" and tadaah, a new remember party gets launched, with the same <2000 tracks. no wonder it's dying if you don't want it to live with new stuff.

and stuff that isn't trance doesn't even really get accepted.

it's a real sad state in here. and about 2 years ago even sony moved out of switzerland, stating electronic music has no platform in that country, lets just don't support it anymore.

and all we have is a bunch of whiny idiots who don't bring us further one step by just replaying their "best times" again and again.

really sad how the most innovative guys so quickly got "old"...

so whats the deal with guys like Chab then, that legoland tune is probably my tune of the decade.

i don't know the tune you talk about sorry..

davepermen wrote:i don't know the tune you talk about sorry..

Chab is Switzerland based, makes some good stuff.

why are you blaming it on the fact that genres exist, it sounds like the people just don't like the music, if genres didn't exist it wouldn't make people like the music any more, it would just piss them off because they wouldn't know when the music they didn't like was coming, its the fact that people like music that creates the genre in the first place

necho wrote:A genre is a bunch of people remixing one person's idea.

does that make ableton a genre?

f*ck genres.

starving student wrote:why are you blaming it on the fact that genres exist, it sounds like the people just don't like the music, if genres didn't exist it wouldn't make people like the music any more, it would just piss them off because they wouldn't know when the music they didn't like was coming, its the fact that people like music that creates the genre in the first place

most of them prejudge music based on the genre it's entitled to. and i'm more pissed how the majority of people around here are very strong genre-nazis while no one can really define the genres.

in short: we lost people because they where annoyed we played "just trance" at a trance party. and we lost people because "it was not trance enough" at the same party.

and we where more or less standing there maoam style, what do you want, then? and no one can actually tell. people can't tell what they want to hear, what they like, but can't listen to see to actually check if they like it.

in short, our scene around here is more or less dead, and is so since around 10 years for the most part. and it's sad, as in such a mostly dead environment, it's very hard to make any new steps and find enough people who might support an idea enough to get it moving again in one form or another.

net result is, most clubs by now are closed, that played some form of electronic music, independent on genre. most see that genre-nazism a big issue that caused it.

4 chords, 36 songs, thats what I call a genre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4_f6pfa ... r_embedded

minimal-electro-fizzletech.

djgroovy wrote:f*ck genres.

fuck groove packs

davepermen wrote:

starving student wrote:why are you blaming it on the fact that genres exist, it sounds like the people just don't like the music, if genres didn't exist it wouldn't make people like the music any more, it would just piss them off because they wouldn't know when the music they didn't like was coming, its the fact that people like music that creates the genre in the first place

most of them prejudge music based on the genre it's entitled to. and i'm more pissed how the majority of people around here are very strong genre-nazis while no one can really define the genres.

in short: we lost people because they where annoyed we played "just trance" at a trance party. and we lost people because "it was not trance enough" at the same party.

and we where more or less standing there maoam style, what do you want, then? and no one can actually tell. people can't tell what they want to hear, what they like, but can't listen to see to actually check if they like it.

in short, our scene around here is more or less dead, and is so since around 10 years for the most part. and it's sad, as in such a mostly dead environment, it's very hard to make any new steps and find enough people who might support an idea enough to get it moving again in one form or another.

net result is, most clubs by now are closed, that played some form of electronic music, independent on genre. most see that genre-nazism a big issue that caused it.

what you're describing is not the fault of the genre, your post is my best example
what do you think would have happened to your trance scene if instead of people being mad because of the type of trance you were playing you were playing 50cent when they wanted to hear trance, not only would your scene have died sooner but they would have kicked your ass. what you described is a dj or some djs not being able to read the crowd basicly. now here is the oxymoronic view, don't all you djs
claim that reading the crowd and record selection is the most importnat skill, well then how fucked up would it be if you can't read the fact that peple didn't come to hear folk tonight,... genres give people a taste of the music and lets them decide if they like it or not and want to go deeper on their own responsibility, genres actually do exactly what you want, they advertise like sounds and introduce them to the people. without genres your scene wouldn't last 2 nights, and heres the real crux of your issue, you obviously want to have a thriving scene and are dissappointed because your scene died that much you've said but what in the world do you think a 'scene' is, by definition????? well I guess that depends is it a pop scene a trance scene a hiphop scene an advantgarde scene techno scene and electro scene, you see you're not making sense.

scenes die because they're not cultivated