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glitchrock-buddha wrote:

timothyallan wrote:I would argue that quantity gets you quality.

Not necessarily.

Practice makes permanent.
Perfect practice makes perfect.

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drumrak wrote:

glitchrock-buddha wrote:

timothyallan wrote:I would argue that quantity gets you quality.

Not necessarily.

Practice makes permanent.
Perfect practice makes perfect.

yeah, what do you think practice is? staring at your instrument? no, its playing your instrument a lot (quantity)

i could play my instrument really badly for 10,000 hours.
and then i'd be a master at playing it badlly.

there is something to be said about learning technique, it's not all magic.

DrXparaMental wrote:stuff

cool man, just a sanity check. my boss is getting all up in my ass, gotta take care of some shit.

there's other cliches like "success is 90% perspiration, 10% inspiration" things like that. that's my take on life.

maybe you were born very talented and didn't have to take the path some of us did. if that's true, DIAF.

So how does this work with lyrics?

Anyone have any formulas for that?

Lo-Fi Massahkah wrote:

DrXparaMental wrote:The science of repetition is undeniable. The science of repetition cannot build creativity, style or natural inclination. Repetition perfects on itself. That self is apart, not a part, of you and the unique quality of your talents.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Talk to me like I was a 5-year old.

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OK, I'm kind of like Tone Deft, I'm at work and things are so dynamic, but I will make it straight, or at least I'll try.

The science of repetition is no more than developing good habits.If you do something...

screw it! You deserve better than what I am able to pull off here at work. I will write this out as it should be either tonight or tomorrow.

I just respect the forum as a whole more than a rush job.

DrXparaMental wrote: I just respect the forum as a whole more than a rush job.

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to an extent, repetition yes but make sure you know what you're doing first otherwise you'd just go nowhere repeating w/o knowing what you're doing and in the end you're still stuck at one because you wouldn't have an idea on what/where/how to expand and improve or rather destroy, erase and improve if you see it that way

I think most of us are experts at using the interweb

DrXparaMental wrote:I just respect the forum as a whole more than a rush job.

you know that significantly decreases the odds for misunderstandings and a proper flame war.

forum at work keeps me in my seat instead of wandering around. sometimes I just open wordpad or Word and write. nobody cares, just as long as I get the job done. I think the boss is appeased, bug solved, I hope.

most defiantly not i'm only 23 however i teach people twice my age with twice my hours (probably misspent) guitar and computer design/animation/music theory

oh and i think since the invention of the internet that number should be halfed at least the access to information is so freely avaIlible these days learning is so much quicker ...granted nothing beats experience and thats somthing i havent got that much of yet

DrXparaMental wrote:There is great truth in the old "hard work" theorem, but all the hard work and perfect practice can't give you a lick of pitch. You either got it, or you don't. All those goofy adds in music rags that guarantee you perfect pitch are just like all the miracle weight loss adds in tabloids. It's trinkets and trash that don't work. I've seen numerous serious shredders that could play violin scales all day long. They couldn't improvise or play by ear to save their life. They had no ear.

Remember back when you first started playing? It took me about 2 years after I first started to figure out how to tell if a musician was any good or not. the ones that were good and could truly kick ass were the ones that figured out the cover tunes note for note with no "reasonable facsimiles" in substitution. You'll never be shit if you don't have a good ear. That's a fact.

This is not true. No one is born with an instrument in their hands. Even W.A. Mozart wasn't born with it; Leopold just put a violin in his hand as soon as he could stand. The people who have perfect pitch usually have it because they were intensely immersed in music from an early age, so the equal tempered pitches become familiar entities just like letters of the alphabet.

You got your "ear" from listening and playing. That's work. Anyone can learn to hear. I know this from experience. I teach college freshman ear training, and I know with enough work you can learn to hear. Yes we get some turkeys who can't match pitch, but that's mostly because they don't know how to use their voice.

Now I know you will say that I'm talking about ear training instead of "feel training," but I am talking about that too. Listening and absorbing styles is how you learn "feel." Active listening is work. If you had never listened to the kind of music you play on the bass, you would not have the feel or groove.

glitchrock-buddha wrote:

timothyallan wrote:I would argue that quantity gets you quality.

Not necessarily.

Practice makes permanent.
Perfect practice makes perfect.

Yep. Of course if you practice poor technique, you will become a master at bad technique.

I believe that ideally you would have the technique and the goal (of quality). Then with the quantity (practice), eventually you will get the quality... HOWEVER.... What hasn't been mentioned much is the sheer amount of fucking determination, drive and desire you have to possess in order to get there. Quality ain't going to magically materialize with just monotonous practice, you've got to live it (for lack of a better un-gay self empowerment term). You get what I mean...

stringtapper wrote: This is not true. No one is born with an instrument in their hands. Even W.A. Mozart wasn't born with it; Leopold just put a violin in his hand as soon as he could stand. The people who have perfect pitch usually have it because they were intensely immersed in music from an early age, so the equal tempered pitches become familiar entities just like letters of the alphabet.

You got your "ear" from listening and playing. That's work. Anyone can learn to hear. I know this from experience. I teach college freshman ear training, and I know with enough work you can learn to hear. Yes we get some turkeys who can't match pitch, but that's mostly because they don't know how to use their voice.

Now I know you will say that I'm talking about ear training instead of "feel training," but I am talking about that too. Listening and absorbing styles is how you learn "feel." Active listening is work. If you had never listened to the kind of music you play on the bass, you would not have the feel or groove.

Would it be too much to ask for you to respond with something slightly more "in context"? Nothing I have stated touches upon your refute.

Please quote where I stated that "some people are born with instruments in their hands"

Just because you don't understand what I posted is no reason to assume what I am stating is not true. Learn to ask questions. You may just appreciate the experience greatly.

So if you practice you get better.

OR

If you are "born with" it you practice to make those who aren't feel better.

Does this about sum it up?

I still want to know if this applies to lyrics. And if so does it start when you begin to learn your ABCs or when you actually start writing lyrics?

H20nly wrote:So if you practice you get better.

OR

If you are "born with" it you practice to make those who aren't feel better.

Does this about sum it up?

I still want to know if this applies to lyrics. And if so does it start when you begin to learn your ABCs or when you actually start writing lyrics?

I think it would apply to writing lyrics as well. If your lyrics consist of singing ABC's then yes, it would have started when you learnt your ABC's and applied them to your songwriting.