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Tone Deft wrote:

starving student wrote:c'mon scott be easy man I know you feel passionate about all of this cause we all do but we shouldn't get into calling each other names and stuff, we should try to talk these things out if we can.

dipshit, that's why you don't start these retarded purposely controversial OT threads.

see? I called you dipshit!!

yes I see what you called me and I really do appreciate the clarification. just as long as you don't call me something nasty like politicaly correct we'll be alright

starving student wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:

starving student wrote:c'mon scott be easy man I know you feel passionate about all of this cause we all do but we shouldn't get into calling each other names and stuff, we should try to talk these things out if we can.

dipshit, that's why you don't start these retarded purposely controversial OT threads.

see? I called you dipshit!!

yes I see what you called me and I really do appreciate the clarification. just as long as you don't call me something nasty like politicaly correct we'll be alright

I'd rather be calling you Teh Man, if you know what I mean...

where you at android I hope you didn't pass out I know you were gettin stoned dude

starving student wrote:where you at android I hope you didn't pass out I know you were gettin stoned dude

Yeah, and where'd he get his weed? From the black man. B, you're an alright chap. We're all a little self righteous, I suppose.

starving student wrote:

aisling wrote:

beats me wrote:Will this last as long as my stereotype thread? We shall see.

Yeah, but that one had a point to it. This one (no disrespect to the poster) is bound to go awry in flames and misunderstandings, as it starts out by being a trick question......

....all we have to do to prevent that is to carry on a mature discussion and not flame or be uncivil to each other, we should at least be able to control ourselves that much.


anyway there's some good discussion going on

Good point, I agree with that sentiment.

Android Bishop wrote: Thus the race divide is kept intact, only nobody will actually fight to get rid of it and get everyone playing on an even field.

I really don't have time for this, but are you really gullible enough to believe that everyone will magically start off on the same playing field if affirmative action and minority scholarships disappear???

Simple basic fact. In western societies the overwhelming majority (much much much more so than percentage of population!), of the upper middle class and rich are white. These people hire the management etc. and in my experience 90% of the time they will hire white people. I'm well aware that in my line of work, a large percentage of people hire me because they think I'm like them etc. In a society that is less than 200 years away from slavery, and 50 years away from hardcore segregation, it's absolutely ridiculous to not acknowledge the simple basic advantage you have being white. Doesn't mean I'm kissing anybodies ass about it, people are people, some good some bad, but I'm sure as hell not going to complain if some black or native american gets some college money or a government job.
Paint it any way you want to, I've worked in the lower class for years, and management in labor jobs is decidedly biased towards white people. There really is no arguing this, and it's stupid as hell that people try to put a spin on it some way... There is no unfair advantage minorities have over whites, and it's absolutely retarded that the right is selling this bullshit to people like you.

Reverse racism is not as harmful simply because the minorities do not own the majority of the businesses that hire people. Say whatever you will, you cannot change that simple fact.

@tone love the new sig

@everything else:
racism is bad. me not getting what i want is worse. enter america.

there is no such thing as reverse racism and any discussion of it makes one sound like a dumbass redneck. Try to put yourself in their shoes. I think they have a right to trip a little bit.

starving student wrote:where you at android I hope you didn't pass out I know you were gettin stoned dude

umm yup. then found an old track I forgot about which was bad ass, so ima see if I can get it going again.

Yeah, and where'd he get his weed? From the black man. B, you're an alright chap. We're all a little self righteous, I suppose.

ugh no thanks. i prefer it from soft hippies with organic gardens thank you.

and self righteous is thinking that somebody else owes you something because of something else that happened to other members of your race. I'm Armenian, and I'm not demanding Turkey give me reparations for something their grandparents did to my grandparents. We've had time to get back on our feet since then.

As an aside, I also remember a time I was denied an application into a Magnet school based simply on the fact that they didn't meet their quota for minority students and couldn't accept any white kids until they did that. What the fuck is that shit?

Android Bishop wrote:

starving student wrote:where you at android I hope you didn't pass out I know you were gettin stoned dude

umm yup. then found an old track I forgot about which was bad ass, so ima see if I can get it going again.

Yeah, and where'd he get his weed? From the black man. B, you're an alright chap. We're all a little self righteous, I suppose.

ugh no thanks. i prefer it from soft hippies with organic gardens thank you.

and self righteous is thinking that somebody else owes you something because of something else that happened to other members of your race. I'm Armenian, and I'm not demanding Turkey give me reparations for something their grandparents did to my grandparents. We've had time to get back on our feet since then.

Another load of crap. You don't live in Turkey nor do you live in Armenia, have you ever?, B. The Armenians despise the Turks, to this day. They even despise the fact that the Turks hijacked they're beloved du'duk, the world's most haunting instrument.

scott nathaniel wrote: Another load of crap. You don't live in Turkey nor do you live in Armenia, have you ever?, B. The Armenians despise the Turks, to this day. They even despise the fact that the Turks hijacked they're beloved du'duk, the world's most haunting instrument.

What difference does that make? My grandparents did, they were there during that time, and we've had enough time to recover since. How long do you treat any race differently due to past actions before you determine its been long enough? You cant, that never ends, because by treating them differently you only continue to maintain an institution that creates race divides! Its a self defeating cycle!

dingalings

like I said I'd agree with you if this was about an isolated incident, you still haven't said anything about what I asked you about, what if racism is still going on today, are you one of those people who think that there is no more racism because obama is president?, what do you think is the state of institutionlized racism today in america? I don't know much about armenian history but I'll tell you this, my mother is still alive and kicking and when she was a little girl she couldn't drink out of certain water fountains, let me ask you are you under the assumption that nobody is being denied a job based on race, or housing, or anything based on race (outside of white people by race quotas) is that what you believe?

Android Bishop wrote:

scott nathaniel wrote: Another load of crap. You don't live in Turkey nor do you live in Armenia, have you ever?, B. The Armenians despise the Turks, to this day. They even despise the fact that the Turks hijacked they're beloved du'duk, the world's most haunting instrument.

What difference does that make? My grandparents did, they were there during that time, and we've had enough time to recover since. How long do you treat any race differently due to past actions before you determine its been long enough? You cant, that never ends, because by treating them differently you only continue to maintain an institution that creates race divides! Its a self defeating cycle!

You really need to spend some time in a small town B. I live in a town that is 80% Hispanic. The whites complain about the Hispanics: "they're lazy, sucking off our system." The Hispanics are the only ones working hard in this town. The white kids are on meth and electronica. The old whites are sucking away at medicare and social security, still penny pinching cause they can't let the friggin' depression go. The whites hate the Hispanics because they're Hispanic. The Hispanics hate the whites because the whites hate them for being Hispanic, as if they have much of a choice. The thing is, i just see more unjustified hatred from white people. actually they're more pink, down where I live. maybe in your evolved, educated realm things are different. But here, they haven't progressed much.