Please Help:Headphones for Mixing and Mastering+Monitoring ?

[SubFunk]

@ twisted-space

? idiot
? troll

the choice is yours, so is:

? cans for mixing/mastering (that was the OPs question)
? bann cans for mixing/mastering

my choice is clear:

i am an idiot who says it's a bad idea to use cans for the OPs asked question.

It's not what you say, it's the way you say it.

well, i am tired of excusing the way i am and the way i talk.

and just for the memory:

the OP asked that:

What you think off Headphones for Mixing and Mastering
any recommendation for buying one?
or you have experience with one off this?

but i am not a bad guy, so i apologise for what i actually don't see and understand apparently being that bad... my language.
i mean i will never really bow down to international politeness. sorry. it's not me. i am not a diplomat.

[twisted-space]

@ Subfunk
Read the whole thread.
Your post was the first with any attitude.
It seems to be a habit with you.

[the girl next door]

@ Subfunk
Read the whole thread.
Your post was the first with any attitude.
It seems to be a habit with you.

Hes angry because the "Love Parade" has left Berlin and is now held in Nord Rhein Westfalen

[SubFunk]

@ Subfunk
Read the whole thread.
Your post was the first with any attitude.
It seems to be a habit with you.

yes, i said so... i don't see the point of changing my being for a forum or anyone else for that matter (i am just not that kind of character)
i am around since jan 2006 and regulars like yourself know me.
i do know a lot of characters around here myself and except them the way they are and within all humanity,
yes i slipped on several occasions like many others.
but except one member i never insulted people very personal or directly on purpose and usually apologised if it happened...
i do generally speak harsh and in your face, yup.

that's attitude? well then i do have attitude, yes. (don't really want to know what real attitude is then... )
sorry for that, but it want change, i am not here to win the most popular person contest.

@ TGND

LOL


p.s. oh i get it... it is attitude, because i say i have a laugh about the fact that people discuss sound quality issues on here
and then admit they have shit monitoring situations and recommend using cans?
well... i am truly speechless!
and i hope it's not considered offending.... i am just truly speechless.

[twisted-space]

@ Subfunk
Read the whole thread.
Your post was the first with any attitude.
It seems to be a habit with you.

yes, i said so... i don't see the point of changing my being for a forum or anyone else for that matter (i am just not that kind of character)
i am around since jan 2006 and regulars like yourself know me.
i do know a lot of characters around here myself and except them the way they are and within all humanity,
yes i slipped on several occasions like many others.
but except one member i never insulted people very personal or directly on purpose and usually apologised if it happened...
i do generally speak harsh and in your face, yup.

that's attitude? well then i do have attitude, yes. (don't really want to know what real attitude is then... )
sorry for that, but it want change, i am not here to win the most popular person contest.

@ TGND

LOL

Then you should expect people to give you attitude in return, and not complain when people "speak harsh" to you.

You get what you give.

[SubFunk]

@ Subfunk
Read the whole thread.
Your post was the first with any attitude.
It seems to be a habit with you.

yes, i said so... i don't see the point of changing my being for a forum or anyone else for that matter (i am just not that kind of character)
i am around since jan 2006 and regulars like yourself know me.
i do know a lot of characters around here myself and except them the way they are and within all humanity,
yes i slipped on several occasions like many others.
but except one member i never insulted people very personal or directly on purpose and usually apologised if it happened...
i do generally speak harsh and in your face, yup.

that's attitude? well then i do have attitude, yes. (don't really want to know what real attitude is then... )
sorry for that, but it want change, i am not here to win the most popular person contest.

@ TGND

LOL

Then you should expect people to give you attitude in return, and not complain when people "speak harsh" to you.

You get what you give.

absolutely!

i believe very much in what goes around comes around!

[twisted-space]

absolutely!

i believe very much in what goes around comes around!

Then it's a shame you don't practice what you preach.

I've made my point. I'm going to pick up my partner from school (she a teacher) and I'm not going to disrail the thread any more.
If you want to discuss this further, PM me.

[twisted-space]

p.s. oh i get it... it is attitude, because i say i have a laugh about the fact that people discuss sound quality issues on here
and then admit they have shit monitoring situations and recommend using cans?
well... i am truly speechless!
and i hope it's not considered offending.... i am just truly speechless.

No, that's not what it's about, you really don't get it do you.

[SubFunk]

nope, i don't get it!

to explain why i don't get it from my perspective,
i would need to choose a language and words, a way of expression that would make things probably even worse and cause trouble again.

and it's not a shame.

PM'ed you.

[rikhyray]

@ Subfunk
Read the whole thread.
Your post was the first with any attitude.
It seems to be a habit with you.

Take it easy. The fact that his way of expressing himself might sound rough or rude, it is bit like a walnut- got to break the shell to eat the content, not the shell. SubFunk know his sh... and no disrespect out of 90% useless post(and -ers) on this forum his input is mostly worth reading. Enough for me to have him on my 5% list of post to check out, specially when it concerns technical stuff, technologies, which he does after all for living.
Anyway misinterpreting, misunderstanding is unfortunately part of internet virtual reality.

[SubFunk]

the reason i say this, if you learn on shit speakers in shit rooms, you are going to have it way, way easier and much faster to adapt your learned working processes to a great monitoring setup in a perfect environment, if you learn to mix on a pair of cans, you start from zero mixing good on a perfect monitoring setup. it's your choice. (you will remember my words when you are coming into this described situation, i sure.)

this is my initial point!

to stay on topic!

i will try to elaborate a bit better, it is about the way you learn the way you are listening, it might sound odd, but you can learn "how" to listen...

and an open (real room and speakers setup, not open cans) system does always have a different way of sounding and behaviour then cans,
not matter what kind of quality we are talking about! if you adjust your hearing, learn 'how' to listen on a room system with two speakers...
then you are way better prepared as i stated already towards working on high quality monitoring setups... opposed to getting used to cans.
which have a entirely different way of revealing the sound.

and again, cans are a vital item in a studio for many little tasks, except the ones the OP asked for!

btw. i don't have super ears, i just learned in a good way on 'how' to listen. i am personally very thankful for...

believe it or not.
that is entirely up to you!

peace.

EDIT: besides any decent pair of cans cost between 150 and 200 euros... for that money EVERYONE can easy treat a room acoustically very well
or stick it into the saving box to buy eventually a nice set of monitors... then a pair of cans.

[evernaut]

Mr. S.Funk - I couldn't care less about petty forum gripes, 'attitude' ( either the display of it, or the perceived misrepresentation of it) or any of the utter bollocks that seems to go hand in hand with these discussions. But to boldly state that mixing on a good pair of headphones is impossible - or should be shunned outright - is nonsense of the highest order.

No-one's saying that it's the most desirable approach to take. Monitoring in a treated environment through good speakers is always preferable for the most part ( though you'll still have to reference on 'phones), but if all you have is a shitty square box room and a pair of low-quality monitors with reflections bouncing all over the damn place, you just won't be able to do your job properly. End of story.

With regard to your other point, yes you can learn to compensate for sub-par rooms/monitors...but only if you have a proper benchmark to use as comparison. The cheapest, quickest and most reliable means to this end for most people is to use headphones.

I have the good fortune to work in some pristine listening environments. I personally have a 'just ok' room to work in at my home, but can cross-reference and compensate for any deficiencies as a result of knowing what to boost or cut when I check my work in the studio room. Without this considerable luxury, I'd be mixing blind and be pretty fucked.

This is why headphones play a hugely important role. They obviate the need for the expensive room as point of reference - as long as you are aware of the inherent drawbacks with spatial issues like over-compensation when positioning sounds in the mix from the lack of movement through air, and the inevitable low-end dilemma that mixing solely on headphones presents.

I do understand where you're coming from, but to be so dismissive, dogmatic and partisan with your comments helps no-one. There are lots of folks here who aren't as experienced as you say you are, so they need to be aware of the pros and cons through measured advice and reasoned argument.

No good engineer worth listening to would ever deny how invaluable headhones can be when mixing...and, in fact, some very worthy mixes have been acheived with little else.

[the girl next door]

Mr. S.Funk - I couldn't care less about petty forum gripes, 'attitude' ( either the display of it, or the perceived misrepresentation of it) or any of the utter bollocks that seems to go hand in hand with these discussions. But to boldly state that mixing on a good pair of headphones is impossible - or should be shunned outright - is nonsense of the highest order.

No-one's saying that it's the most desirable approach to take. Monitoring in a treated environment through good speakers is always preferable for the most part ( though you'll still have to reference on 'phones), but if all you have a shitty square box room and a pair of low-quality monitors with reflections bouncing all over the damn place, you just won't be able to do your job properly. End of story.

With regard to your other point, yes you can learn to compensate for sub-par rooms/monitors...but only if you have a proper benchmark to use as comparison. The cheapest, quickest and most reliable means to this end for most people is to use headphones.

I have the good fortune to work in some pristine listening environments. I personally have a 'just ok' room to work in at my home, but can cross-reference and compensate for any deficiencies as a result of knowing what to boost or cut when I check my work in the studio room. Without this considerable luxury, I'd be mixing blind and be pretty fucked.

This is why headphones play a hugely important role. They obviate the need for the expensive room as point of reference - as long as you are aware of the inherent drawbacks with spatial issues like over-compensation when positioning sounds in the mix from the lack of movement through air, and the inevitable low-end dilemma that mixing solely on headphones presents.

I do understand where you're coming from, but to be so dismissive, dogmatic and partisan with your comments helps no-one. There are lots of folks here who aren't as experienced as you say you are, so they need to be aware of the pros and cons through measured advice and reasoned argument.

No good engineer worth listening to would ever deny how invaluable headhones can be when mixing...and, in fact, some very worthy mixes have been acheived with little else.

Well said. Give that man a Ciiiigar !

[SubFunk]

Mr. S.Funk - I couldn't care less about petty forum gripes, 'attitude' ( either the display of it, or the perceived misrepresentation of it) or any of the utter bollocks that seems to go hand in hand with these discussions. But to boldly state that mixing on a good pair of headphones is impossible - or should be shunned outright - is nonsense of the highest order.

No-one's saying that it's the most desirable approach to take. Monitoring in a treated environment through good speakers is always preferable for the most part ( though you'll still have to reference on 'phones), but if all you have is a shitty square box room and a pair of low-quality monitors with reflections bouncing all over the damn place, you just won't be able to do your job properly. End of story.

With regard to your other point, yes you can learn to compensate for sub-par rooms/monitors...but only if you have a proper benchmark to use as comparison. The cheapest, quickest and most reliable means to this end for most people is to use headphones.

I have the good fortune to work in some pristine listening environments. I personally have a 'just ok' room to work in at my home, but can cross-reference and compensate for any deficiencies as a result of knowing what to boost or cut when I check my work in the studio room. Without this considerable luxury, I'd be mixing blind and be pretty fucked.

This is why headphones play a hugely important role. They obviate the need for the expensive room as point of reference - as long as you are aware of the inherent drawbacks with spatial issues like over-compensation when positioning sounds in the mix from the lack of movement through air, and the inevitable low-end dilemma that mixing solely on headphones presents.

I do understand where you're coming from, but to be so dismissive, dogmatic and partisan with your comments helps no-one. There are lots of folks here who aren't as experienced as you say you are, so they need to be aware of the pros and cons through measured advice and reasoned argument.

No good engineer worth listening to would ever deny how invaluable headhones can be when mixing...and, in fact, some very worthy mixes have been acheived with little else.

i have no reason to argue anymore... i also learn (slowly but surely)... and hitting a thick brick wall all the time does not make any sense.
do as you all please and use cans for mixing/mastering.

(that was the initial question asked, if i might remind you...
it was not asked to use cans as a help/support or for any other task, they are actually designed for...!!!,
but i am only a foreigner who can't read the OPs question, i guess)

can anyone be so kind and offer me english lessons, please PM me with reasonable offers.
i am all up for learning, that is not a joke! as i don't seem to understand the OPs question.
therefor i talk total rubbish as usual. sorry it's my utter bad being that stupid.

[the girl next door]

Ganz ruhich brauner. mach dir keinen kopf es wurd alless wieder gut.