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newnumtwo wrote:support for autoseek in long samples (something we take for granted in Live)

Not exactly true. If you use the sampler to trigger a long sample (as you would do in renoise), and you start playing back the song after the trigger event, you won't hear the sample in live. In renoise you now hear the sample playing back from the position it would have reached at that point in time, as if it would have been triggered.

Considering renoise hasn't got traditional audio tracks, you are somewhat right though, as you could just place the long sample into an audio track in live. But that's not the same thing.

holy feck!
Renoise finally has timestretch!!!:
http://tools.renoise.com/browse

And everything in Renoise is now extendable with open source tools...

GAME OVER?

Have you tried the timestretch to compare it's quality against other DAWS ?

These tools are pretty good, preclick is a good one too for me, as someone who has long since gotten away from trackers and gotten used to using a MIDI keyboard or at least the virtual keyboard, I used to have to let the recording loop empty one time and play notes in on the second pass for synth sounds (for drums I mostly just key those in the pattern editor). This is why I didn't get into Renoise until the 2.5 beta although I like the pattern editor for keying in fast and dirty drums, the pattern matrix and new features are what tipped the balance positively for me.

I agree with the previous poster though, that FTW, Renoise needs to implement proper audio tracks like in Live and other DAWS, the current set up recording audio in to the sample editor is fine for short audio samples, but recording vocals or instruments is a pain (and probably leads a lot of Renoise users to rewire into other apps, as I often do).

Still, with the new Lua scripting possibilities and more development on the program with lots of new features coming in 2.5 and beyond, Renoise is getting to the point of being a really amazing piece of software for $59 which allows a lot of creativity.

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You can implement Pure Data with Lua:
http://claudiusmaximus.goto10.org/cm/20 ... eased.html

About comparisions:
- ReNoise paradigm is going Living Act but it has still work with audio buffers (record, things like looper...)
- Live is losting Living Act secure. The inestabilty and "all-in-one" is taking some resources...
- ReNoise will need any kind of dvs integration if it will compete with maxforlive Ms. Pinky or Bridge (when it become released of course...)
- Live must document the API and open it (or die ). Maxforlive runtime will be logical step forward...

There are similar but not really one-to-one competitors yet...

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leedsquietman wrote:Have you tried the timestretch to compare it's quality against other DAWS ?

it uses this library : http://www.breakfastquay.com/rubberband/

The idea of being able to integrate external tools via scripting is fantastic. im getting closer and closer to buying a renoise licence by the minute.

mdk wrote:

leedsquietman wrote:Have you tried the timestretch to compare it's quality against other DAWS ?

it uses this library : http://www.breakfastquay.com/rubberband/

Yup, it's open source and it says "Rubber Band performs better in most of these respects than many competing proprietary time-stretching libraries.":
http://www.breakfastquay.com/rubberband/why.html

leedsquietman wrote:I agree with the previous poster though, that FTW, Renoise needs to implement proper audio tracks like in Live and other DAWS, the current set up recording audio in to the sample editor is fine for short audio samples, but recording vocals or instruments is a pain (and probably leads a lot of Renoise users to rewire into other apps, as I often do).

The new sample auto seek feature for longer audio files and timestretch will make a world of difference for me. I use Maschine to complement Renoise for things like midi sequencing of melodies and recording/sampling. Then I can just drag and drop a Maschine pattern as audio into a Renoise instrument slot or even just trigger a Maschine pattern directly from the Renoise pattern editor.

Thanks for the responses - I will try and find time to try these things out later.

I am definitely impressed with Renoise and the development going on, the open sourceness, the scripting language, the cost and the intentions of the developers, it all bodes well for raising the profile of the software

Check out the new Drum Processor:

It's a "DBlue Glitch like pattern event processor"

And I can't overstate how significant of a feature Autoseek is...
This means I can now have long audio files like vocals without having to start the sample from the beginning every time. Just press play anywhere and it will play the audio file like any other DAW would.

And custom scripting along with Sample Slicer, Timestretch/Pitch-shift...etc. This actually means I won't have to Rewire it to Live anymore. Using Live as a Rewire master always made it hang when quitting Renoise and it's been happening forever even with Ableton support's attempt to fix it.

correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't long audio files still loaded into RAM ?