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Gab wrote:

darbyjones wrote:I might have to by M4L just for this. I think it's great, just wished he used the actual cord names instead of track names.

+1.

+1, that's sketchy

but if you read up basic articles on music theory on wiki - you'll easily figure it out

Actually I'm currently learning music theory, so I'm OK with the naming of the schwarzonator chords. But it would have been nice for music theory dummies to know what they are 'playing' with the help of the plugin. As it is, they will have no idea what they are doing — it completely subsitutes theoretical knowledge with fun, while it could have combined both.

personaly i have no desire to learn music theory.

Very cool patch! I see a lot of possibilities for Live performances here...
I assume that there is also a way to link this patch to the transpose knob in ableton (once I learn how to program M4L ).
Imagine all your transpose knobs on your audiotracks linked to the master Schwartzonator.-> start a beat a bassline and some backing samples. -> start improvising with a synth over it. -> do some weird chord changes and the bassline and backing samples will follow the chord changes, keeping your whole Live set in tune!!! I can really focus on other things in my Liveset then...
I'm def. getting M4L for the holidays to f^#$K around with.

I am currently working on the [makeahitsingle~] max object. Coming soon !

chapelier fou wrote:http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1456.html

Somebody convert this to Mac... PLEAZZZZZ!!!

I love this idea. Maybe not so much for me because I'm lucky and know music theory, though I'm by no means a keyboard player, but for uses like Moldover's Octomasher. How about picking someone from the audience and have her come up on stage and jam with you regardless of music knowledge? Or using an app like mrmr to give anyone in the audience with a mobile device that supports it an interface to join the jam, all kept in tune with this device. To me it sounds cool.

Wow, I was pretty impressed. I've tried the chord and scale plugs and the various racks out there (yeah, my music theory sucks) and I haven't found them all that great. Can't wait to give this a try. Some people just have a tough time learning the theory (me!). If I have time, I just want to sit and make tunes, and this tool helps with that.

Especially the like "little brother" device, great idea.

I was deeply impressed by this clever tool made by Henrik
because it implements a fundamental paradigm in an explicite
and open way as never before(*): the separation in a musical
instrument of harmony and melody.

Look, the scale selector is automatable, so, you could select
the harmonies with the left hand and play the melody with the
right hand (or put the harmonies in a clip as Henrik did).

Think about chord changes in Jazz.

And it's all clean, this is no auto accompaniment, arpeggiator or
something, you are in full control, it only plays *your* melody.

And one more thought. Henrik knows Music theory, that's not
the point. Otherwise he could not program the Schwarzonator
presets. But knowing the theory and being able to follow it
in an improvised live performance is a difference of 5000...7500
hours of training, and only if you are talented enough.

Anyway, as any new instrument Schwarzonator will require
some training to get to its limits, but I'm sure it'll
allow to play things not heared before, even more by
musicians who know their stuff!

Ralf

*) Sorry for my ignorance, probably somebody somewhere
did that before, but I was not aware of something like it.

Ralf wrote:Look, the scale selector is automatable, so, you could select
the harmonies with the left hand and play the melody with the
right hand (or put the harmonies in a clip as Henrik did).

Cant you just chain select between the scales you like in a midi rack? Or am I missing something?

Yeah I don't get it either.

chapelier fou wrote:Yeah I don't get it either.

maybe it's the master/slave relationship that is exciting?

I'm glad there were other Ableton users who found this offending etc. There should be more desire to increase musical knowledge, not dumb it down. Sure there's some clever, thought-out programming involved in the design and probably aimed more at the dj market as opposed to an actual musician (which the term 'musician' is contradicted in the video)

Mash on.

the reduction to not using your brain at all anymore is fast raising.

i think i throw ableton immediately away, if there will be ever a dixonator featured by them.

this is seriously not funny anymore.