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[pr0jekt2501]

I've had enough of the crashes and just random bugs with live 8 ( eg today I couldn't add new midi tracks. Had to close and reopen live, then add midi tracks started working again ). I've been a happy live user since version 6.

Bought Logic 9 the other day and will see how it goes for a couple of weeks. If the workflow feels right & comfortable I'll be selling live 8 suite download and M4L.

Its been fun ableton, but its time to move on to something more reliable.

[LoopStationZebra]

Another satisfied customer. lol.

[nafe]

sometimes i get to missing that little rainbow pinwheel, when i do i just open up live, throw ultra analog on a track and just keep opening and closing it til my little friend comes back to visit me!!!!!!

hahaha, i know the feeling too well. its like looking at the sun, you know you shouldnt but for some reason you still do

[alex.the.forge]

yeah it looks like people don't actually want to get their stuff working, and just cry? .

well, when it's already acknowledged that there are problems with Live 8 then it does seem like a real waste of time to reinstall your OS when a beta in a few days might solve your issues

[hoffman2k]

yeah it looks like people don't actually want to get their stuff working, and just cry? .

well, when it's already acknowledged that there are problems with Live 8 then it does seem like a real waste of time to reinstall your OS when a beta in a few days might solve your issues

Maintaining an Audio product on the 6 current OS' along with half a dozen of different plugin formats... It must be a wonderful job. The current situation is inexcusable, but I wouldn't blame them for dropping support for Tiger, Leopard, XP and Vista to make things a lot more stable.
People talk as if the Live 8 update is the only thing changed on their system. Which may be true for a lot of people. Live 7 ran a lot smoother but it also supported fewer OS'.

And last but not least, Apple fixed some crucial bugs like memory leaks this week. Showing that even their pro applications weren't up to par with Snow Leopard yet (read prokit 5.1). In a few weeks we'll see 10.6.3 which contains more of such fixes along with enabling the Mac for gaming with Steam.
All I'm saying is that Microsoft and Apple might have made things "interesting" for various developers. For better or worse. Its the case with most applications I own. It wouldn't be far fetched to assume Live is having a bit of trouble running code for XP, Vista, Win 7, Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard.

[leedsquietman]

64 bit is totally NOT the answer. Not yet at least. The DAW world is about 3-4 years behind the gaming and video editing world who were super keen to embrace this technology.

If you think crashes and bad plugin support are volatile now, wait until you try a 64 bit version of a DAW.

It's a totally universal CRASH-TASTIC experience with Cubase, Sonar, Logic and more. Many people with 64 bit o/s are still running 32 bit versions of the DAW app because it's the only way they can get work done without bugs galore and especially plugins not to crash the system. They get a performance bump even using the 32 bit versions, with about 3.5 GB ram being addressable, as opposed to 1.8GB ram on win XP.

Many plugins will never support 64 bit architecture and although there are wrappers such as J-Bridge which can load many 32 bit plugins effectively, it's still a lottery as to whether your 32 bit plugins will work and most 64 bit native plugins are new and being crashtastic all by themselves until bug fixes arrive.

Live 7.0.16 works fine for me and I'm sticking with it until Live 9, even if Live 9 isn't released until 2012 (and I support that, no rush releasing a new product after barely stabilizing the current one after 14 months etc).

[Jarvisimon]

Live 7.0.16 works fine for me and I'm sticking with it until Live 9, even if Live 9 isn't released until 2012 (and I support that, no rush releasing a new product after barely stabilizing the current one after 14 months etc).

I too am glad the yearly upgrade path has been thrown out of the window. 2012 sounds a bit too far away in my opinion, though better stability on release is paramount to its reputation. Ableton will just have to be sure to concentrate on more specific and powerful additions for each new version when the time comes.

Alternatively, develop an instrument building kit (Reaktor), specifically for Live and then drop 3rd party plug-in support for stability.

[Poster]

maybe 1 crash since L8..

what have I done to deserve this?

[oblique strategies]

People talk as if the Live 8 update is the only thing changed on their system. Which may be true for a lot of people. Live 7 ran a lot smoother but it also supported fewer OS'.

Good point. Computers are inherently unstable due to the rapid rate of change. But the issues with Live 8 are quite beyond the norm. I've been using Live since version 1, & I've never heard so many people report so many serious problems.

I recall a time, some years back, when Live was very unstable on a Mac; it forced onto a PC for a while. But these problems effected a far smaller range of people for a shorter amount of time.

The current state of affairs is extremely serious for many users.

[hoffman2k]

maybe 1 crash since L8..

what have I done to deserve this?

Did you burn the G5?

[3dot...]

6 was a dream under osx.

...yep...4/5/6 were a dream on the XP as well...
today...
I seriously can't remember Live without the Anxiety/Frustration element anymore...
"when will it crash?"...and then it does ... and then you're bummed...

now open a project you made with v6...
makes for a refreshing reminder of how sluggish and buggy v8 is..
Live6 is lightning fast ! and stable !

and although I'm loving M4L.. it adds to the unpredictability of the whole thing..
and feels at times like it's patched to live with gaffer tape...

all and all it makes perfect sense Live is struggling..
it has become a very very complicated program..
and it became so "all of a sudden"..
(Live7 was a very mellow release feature-wise)
Live8 was a huge leap forward conceptually imo..
supported grid-control surfaces..redesigned 'warp' methods...Grooves...MAX..Serato..
...new instruments/fx..and numerous smaller tweaks
I was overwhelmed by the premise of it.

still.. we shouldn't be sold a software more than a year before it's ready.
I would be willing to beta test it for a year..for free..and know that it's not supposed to be stable..
but an officially released product is something else..
I've stopped installing the beta versions...
it has become simply ludicrous to be beta testing for so long..

about OS issues.. my os runs perfectly with every software installed...
none have crashed my system..(none except for "Live Suite")
(been also working a bit with Reaper and Vegas lately..)

soooo..
I'm pretty sure Ableton will make things right again.. (hope it's not too long now..)
and I'm pretty sure they've learned from their mistakes .
Here's hoping for a stable Live8(+m4l)...soon...

This is the most poetic Live 8 complaint I've seen yet

yes...I've turned this into an art-form...only 2 years of practice!

[Poster]

maybe 1 crash since L8..

what have I done to deserve this?

Did you burn the G5?

the bugtower? actually I sold it.. a ritual burning would've been more appropriate..

dunno how I houdini'd myself out of the current crashfestivities..

[davepermen]

yeah it looks like people don't actually want to get their stuff working, and just cry? .

well, when it's already acknowledged that there are problems with Live 8 then it does seem like a real waste of time to reinstall your OS when a beta in a few days might solve your issues

if all you want is a working system, anything that could help is worth it for me. might be different for you. but i care about having a working system, not about who's to blame why it isn't. might be hp putting a bad hw config together. might be some hw developer building a faulty chip. might be intel, might be microsoft. might be any of the companies who wrote a driver. might be some windows update (again microsoft, but another subpart). might be ableton live. might be some external device.

i just want to have my system working. and to do so, i often try about everything. i would even switch to mac if i would know that would help.

yes, live needs to get more stable again. it's highest priority and has to be. but independent on it, every customer can do much to find out the most stable solution for himself.

for a while my desktop was instable, having audio dropouts and such, soundcard driver crashed time and times again. in the end, i replaced the usb cable. all the issues got fixed.

but i see a lot of people in here not wanting to spend time making their personal setup work stable. i can understand it. "i have better things to do". i don't. i want my gigs to work without issue (and even while producing, i don't want issues). it's worth for me, investing time to get that stuff right.

so i do my part, and i really hope ableton (and all the others listed above) do their part, so i have the least amount of possible issues.
but if i don't do my part, how should i be allowed to blame the others? this doesn't fit into my way of living. it's called egoism, and i don't apply this anywhere to "solve my problem", as it never works.

[Donnie]

Perhaps you need to consider that some people dont have the resources to just switch an OS on the fly. They may be using software that is OS dependant or they may be using hardware that does not work or is unreliable on a different OS. There are plenty of reasons why someone could not use a different OS. As much as I like to figure out solutions to problems, there are many factors that have to be taken into consideration.

[3dot...]

yeah it looks like people don't actually want to get their stuff working, and just cry? .

well, when it's already acknowledged that there are problems with Live 8 then it does seem like a real waste of time to reinstall your OS when a beta in a few days might solve your issues

if all you want is a working system, anything that could help is worth it for me. might be different for you. but i care about having a working system, not about who's to blame why it isn't. might be hp putting a bad hw config together. might be some hw developer building a faulty chip. might be intel, might be microsoft. might be any of the companies who wrote a driver. might be some windows update (again microsoft, but another subpart). might be ableton live. might be some external device.

i just want to have my system working. and to do so, i often try about everything. i would even switch to mac if i would know that would help.

yes, live needs to get more stable again. it's highest priority and has to be. but independent on it, every customer can do much to find out the most stable solution for himself.

for a while my desktop was instable, having audio dropouts and such, soundcard driver crashed time and times again. in the end, i replaced the usb cable. all the issues got fixed.

but i see a lot of people in here not wanting to spend time making their personal setup work stable. i can understand it. "i have better things to do". i don't. i want my gigs to work without issue (and even while producing, i don't want issues). it's worth for me, investing time to get that stuff right.

so i do my part, and i really hope ableton (and all the others listed above) do their part, so i have the least amount of possible issues.
but if i don't do my part, how should i be allowed to blame the others? this doesn't fit into my way of living. it's called egoism, and i don't apply this anywhere to "solve my problem", as it never works.

... no ..
it's called recovering from a crash... and wanting to get back to work..
not wait heaps of time...
then upload the crash reports...which at this point is basically just adding more to the pile..
I'm not beta testing anymore.. and I don't think it's egoistic..