how are you using live with other daws? i dont get it..

[mr.ergonomics]

Also I've found that it's fun to have a break from a sequencer, even Live. It shakes things up a bit and then it's always fun to come back.

Although I do sometimes miss certain features in Live when using Logic, I hope Live doesn't try to hard to become a full fledged DAW, as I'd rather it stay focused as a performance instrument.

i totally agree.

I absolutely disagree.
I want both and I don't think one excludes the other.
Beside from that I think you mentioned some good points in your post, glitchrock-buddha.

[drako]

I absolutely disagree.
I want both and I don't think one excludes the other.

+ 100000000!

[SubFunk]

I don't think one excludes the other.

it absolutely does, the core of live does not give it no matter how hard they will try (besides it's two entire different philosophies), it's like traktor would try to become a DAW suddenly... to me that is the main reason why 8 is in such a mess.

well, M4L is just a slightly better implemented and way better marketed environment that has been around since over 15 years. LOL.

and for the record, i like that, big mistake of logic, they where to much ahead of the time and did not pushed it in the right way, i hope for Live they will market M4L the way it deserves it and that they will have a great success with it. just saying it is not that ableton invented the wheel here...

jeez, i had a laugh seeing some of len sasso's work ported to M4L on maxforlive.com

Live is session view, a performance tool. it is already awful enough that it is abused for DJ-ing.

[glitchrock-buddha]

Live is session view, a performance tool. it is already awful enough that it is abused for DJ-ing.

Haha, I like this.


And it's not that I don't appreciate Live getting betting midi editing and such, I just hope that any arrangement features don't detract from performance advancements. Ableton's resources aren't unlimited of course and I think that in some ways advancements in arrangement/traditional DAW functionality and session/performance can be very much mutually exclusive. And of course, stability must trump all else...

[mr.ergonomics]

I don't think one excludes the other.

it's like traktor would try to become a DAW suddenly...

Oh I know what you mean and I do agree (yep, please don't waste resources to implement these 'mix recorder' NI), but I think it's different with ableton. I don't mean fancy features like melodyne, only basic features. I don't miss too much in arrange view. I guess many of them are handy for performance too (screen sets?)

Live is session view, a performance tool. it is already awful enough that it is abused for DJ-ing.

[SubFunk]

And it's not that I don't appreciate Live getting betting midi editing and such, I just hope that any arrangement features don't detract from performance advancements. Ableton's resources aren't unlimited of course and I think that in some ways advancements in arrangement/traditional DAW functionality and session/performance can be very much mutually exclusive. And of course, stability must trump all else...

+1

i am not against a development at all, that would be retarded, but i want to see a clear performance / jam away and fun based development.

i think recently maschine is taking the right approach, utter fun, easiness, live performance!!!, jam factor, moving away from the F-ing computer screen... all that what Ableton should focus more on, really!

instead of becoming (trying to) what we have in dozens (DAWs) to choose from already and perfectly working since years... but well i know i say that since years.

we don't have much tools for the fun performance live play / jam factor to choose from... but we have more then a dozen DAWS already...

i rather have ableton stay ahead of the live performing / jam factor... maschine is a close contender and they will, if they try to much DAW crap, clearly loose their position in no time...
1.5 (maschine) is already dangerously close on taking the 'stage' crown.

[Machinesworking]

Honestly I'm personally disappointed that Live offers such shitty and mediocre ways to switch between software instruments that you want to play live.
Say I set up three or more tracks with soft synths that I wish to switch between in a show, as it stands my options are to set it up in the arrange, or maybe set up dummy clips, but even then since muting a synth is an on/off switch (this frees up the most resources etc.), you have to predetermine the order you play the instruments in, not very 'live performance' oriented IMO.
So in the end I use Kore inside Live, which makes for about a one minute start up time for a Set. I would like to just use Live, but I've grown tired of assigning Live to only arm one track at a time, since Live has no way to lock a track so you're not disarming it in that situation. Basically, if you're wanting to play keyboards and not fire clips, and want to use Session View, the best option seems to be using other options....

I get what people are saying about not becoming another DAW in the sense that there are plenty of two track editors out there, and tab scoring would be silly.
Traditional DAW wise though, it would be great if Live had SysEx and a composition actually stored the entire preset for hardware. Plus screen-sets for performance/composition. Couple that with reliable MIDI sync, and the aforementioned lack of elegant VI switching, and I wouldn't have any real issues with Live at all.