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Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:09 pm
by Dennis DeSantis
SubFunk wrote:sarcasm, i can't deal with those professional aimed PR standard blurb statements, when it clearly was a mess... no worries i still love the program, still use it and have installed 8.1.3b plus 10.6.3 and will report
i just think people are way better of being honest. that is all. business or not business.
You may find this surprising, but the vast majority of our users don't hang out on the forums.
There are artists using Live 8.x in clubs, theaters, etc who have absolutely no problems. Ever. We know this because they tell us and because we go to their gigs.
The experience of some people in this forum - including yourself - may not match this. But this is hardly an indication that we're being dishonest or trying to cram PR nonsense down your throat.
Best,
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:13 pm
by SubFunk
@ carlosjhzapien
well, i personally can't blame myself i do not 'promote' ableton enough in a positive way, but i get angry with lies and all i ask for is honesty, i can't stand trained on professional business lying, also often refered to as PR. (maybe it is because my girlfriend is / was in PR and i know to good how it really works)
peace.
it is still an awesome company with an awesome product. and it should stay that way.
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:17 pm
by nebulae
Dennis DeSantis wrote:we go to their gigs.
This is true. I played a lesbian bar in 2006 using Live 5. Dennis was there. Though she was going by Denise back then.
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:22 pm
by rsaulo
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:23 pm
by SubFunk
Dennis DeSantis wrote:SubFunk wrote:sarcasm, i can't deal with those professional aimed PR standard blurb statements, when it clearly was a mess... no worries i still love the program, still use it and have installed 8.1.3b plus 10.6.3 and will report
i just think people are way better of being honest. that is all. business or not business.
You may find this surprising, but the vast majority of our users don't hang out on the forums.
There are artists using Live 8.x in clubs, theaters, etc who have absolutely no problems. Ever. We know this because they tell us and because we go to their gigs.
The experience of some people in this forum - including yourself - may not match this. But this is hardly an indication that we're being dishonest or trying to cram PR nonsense down your throat.
Best,
PM'ed you.
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:29 pm
by drako
nebulae wrote:Dennis DeSantis wrote:we go to their gigs.
This is true. I played a lesbian bar in 2006 using Live 5. Dennis was there. Though she was going by Denise back then.
LOL
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:46 pm
by Dennis DeSantis
nebulae wrote:This is true. I played a lesbian bar in 2006 using Live 5. Dennis was there. Though she was going by Denise back then.
It was half-price drink night. I'm not going to let something as simple as biology get in the way of a bargain.
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:47 pm
by carlosjhzapien
hahaha That's the best LIVE show I've ever seen! - Exactly us in 40 years after going broke for buying all the Ableton controllers and releases that come out and then one day not being able to use them at all as the company just decides it's had enough with whiney customers LOL...
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:53 pm
by malutki
Dennis DeSantis wrote:Thanks for the feedback.
The updated quality post now links to the original.
Best,
mmhhmm yeah, ok, maybe a bit little, a bit late?
what were your reasons for not including something along these lines as usual?
You might wonder how this update relates to the bug-fixing phase that has been announced recently viewtopic.php?f=1&t=132761.
The upcoming 8.1.3 update addresses many issues but is not yet the final result of our special bug-fixing efforts.
We cannot yet tell when those will be released but we'll keep you informed.
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:59 pm
by nebulae
Dennis DeSantis wrote:nebulae wrote:This is true. I played a lesbian bar in 2006 using Live 5. Dennis was there. Though she was going by Denise back then.
It was half-price drink night. I'm not going to let something as simple as biology get in the way of a bargain.
Denise, you're such a slut! (I dig that about you!)
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:08 pm
by Dennis DeSantis
malutki wrote:mmhhmm yeah, ok, maybe a bit little, a bit late?
We updated the post within something like 4 hours, based entirely on user feedback. I'm sorry it wasn't done sooner, or originally.
what were your reasons for not including something along these lines as usual?
The actual post is nearly identical to the one you quoted.
Best,
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:13 pm
by beats me
All the bugs in 8 just made me realize how content I am with 7. It's been so long since I revisited 8 that I can't even think of 1 feature in 8 that I want/need. So I'm more than happy sitting on that investment until the general consensus is that it is a monument to stability. But just on principle I would be a little put off if they start venturing into new add-ons or more collaborative work before this happens.
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:42 pm
by malutki
Dennis DeSantis wrote:We updated the post within something like 4 hours, based entirely on user feedback. I'm sorry it wasn't done sooner, or originally.
don't get me wrong, it is good to see you listening to feedback so swiftly.
I meant why was it not there, and obviously there from the beginning.
The Quality statement was quite reassuring when it came out.
8.1.2 taking so long was a bit weird, but no biggie.
Finding the Quality statement gone, and 8.1.3 in its place
and no info on how one relates to the other.
way to spell transparency. or trust.
but I can be a nitpicker like that. And I'm hungry...
Dennis DeSantis wrote:malutki wrote:what were your reasons for not including something along these lines as usual?
The actual post is nearly identical to the one you quoted.
Best,
and that answers my question?
well here's another nearly identical post:
Dennis DeSantis wrote:Dear forumites,
you might have bought Ableton Live and spent all your wakinghours working,
using Live or building it's community in the Ableton forums,
But this is hardly an indication of you being a Live User.
Live Users perform in clubs, theaters, etc.
They have absolutely no problems. None. Ever.
They are absolutely fabulous. Always.
We know this because they tell us and because we go to their gigs.
You may find this surprising,
but the fact alone that you are reading this makes you a Live Loser.
The higher your post-count the more so.
We Are The
Best,
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:52 pm
by nebulae
I am deeply offended by what Denise was just quoted as saying! That's bullshit!
Re: 8.1.3???
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:47 pm
by Willyum
I don't see release notes.... Do we finally have time stretch in simpler/sampler? (after having been acknowledged and 'Planned' by Ableton like 2 years ago!)