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Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:43 am
by derzai
I've heard that Twitter has acquired W3C. Might be rumours.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:15 am
by derzai
crumhorn wrote:nebulae wrote:^ I don't really know what you two are saying. And that's making me feel stupid. So fuck you both for making me feel stupid.
In simple terms "Jobs is lying, two faced, self serving, bastard who distorts the facts to suit his own ends."
I care about this because, in my line of work, the idiotic decisions these people make cost me hours of wasted time.
I bought a book about html4 and then the guy wrote that it was actually xhtml which is actually xml.
So I bought a book about xml and it was all very confusing and I ended up concluding that it was all about the api's.
Well the average cunt is lost by now, so I guess I've understood plenty of it.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:00 pm
by H20nly
derzai wrote:html4 ....... actually xhtml
ok
derzai wrote:xhtml which is actually xml.
i learned xhtml 5 or 6 years ago. i don't think i learned xml.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:09 pm
by derzai
H20nly wrote: i learned xhtml 5 or 6 years ago. i don't think i learned xml.
Hey I know very little about it, but I do think it is. Correct me if I am wrong.
quote:
XHTML 1.0 (this specification) is the first document type in the XHTML family. It is a reformulation of the three HTML 4 document types as applications of XML 1.0 [XML].
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#xhtml
The only program I ever wrote was in Fortran on a DEC.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:13 pm
by H20nly
I not saying your wrong or right... I still have the XHTML books from school. I've see plenty of XML files at work, but I don't mess with them, as far as editing is concerned, because I don't think I can.
writer from your link wrote:1.2. What is XML?
XML™ is the shorthand name for Extensible Markup Language [XML].
XML was conceived as a means of regaining the power and flexibility of SGML without most of its complexity. Although a restricted form of SGML, XML nonetheless preserves most of SGML's power and richness, and yet still retains all of SGML's commonly used features.
While retaining these beneficial features, XML removes many of the more complex features of SGML that make the authoring and design of suitable software both difficult and costly.
still
I'm not going to start saying that I know XML based on this.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:17 pm
by H20nly
I hope you're right actually. I'm certainly going to take a closer look next time I'm digging around on a PC and come across an XML file.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:18 pm
by derzai
H20nly wrote:I not saying your wrong or right... I still have the XHTML books from school. I've see plenty of XML files at work, but I don't mess with them, as far as editing is concerned, because I don't think I can.
writer from your link wrote:1.2. What is XML?
XML™ is the shorthand name for Extensible Markup Language [XML].
XML was conceived as a means of regaining the power and flexibility of SGML without most of its complexity. Although a restricted form of SGML, XML nonetheless preserves most of SGML's power and richness, and yet still retains all of SGML's commonly used features.
While retaining these beneficial features, XML removes many of the more complex features of SGML that make the authoring and design of suitable software both difficult and costly.
still
I'm not going to start saying that I know XML based on this.
You know
some XML.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:20 pm
by derzai
H20nly wrote:I hope you're right actually. I'm certainly going to take a closer look next time I'm digging around on a PC and come across an XML file.
XML itself, the idea, is not that difficult to grasp.
To understand the programs that can read and write XML, thats something different.
At least, for me.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:21 pm
by H20nly
I guess so.
I'm not very fluid with CSS either and that falls under the same umbrella. I suppose I just never thought XML was so close to HTML.
food for thought. thanks.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:44 pm
by nathannn
hi... average joe user here chiming in with my opinion.
and here it is.....
WHO GIVES A FUCK!
no one gives a shit about any of this.
if something is not natively supported in a browser do you know what average joe does?
HE DOWNLOADS A FUCKING PLUG IN!
oooohhhh average joe knows how to download a plug in??
omg!!!!!!!
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:50 pm
by LoopStationZebra
^this discussion during the last several posts.. (except nathannn, who's usually ranting about nothing)
This KIND of discussion you all are having right now.... oh god.
That's the kind of discussion that arsehole programmers were having in the days before Flash. When every website ended up looking like this:
http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/PERL/node250.html
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:59 pm
by H20nly
and then it switched to....
followed immediately by the actual relevance of natannn's post minus the part where he doesn't get it. that actually has no real relevance.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:04 pm
by H20nly
no. wait...
I take that back.
WTF is average joe gonna do if nobody knows any of this code or has any of these conversations?
refer back to LSZ's link. welcome to how the web should look according to nathannn's attitude.
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:07 pm
by H20nly
this thread is off topic any way.
isn't it about Steve trying to fuck Adobe and Adobe trying to fuck Steve?
they should take turns.
oh, wait... they have been for 20+ years.
carry on..
/thread
Re: A letter from Steve Jobs: Fuck you, Adobe
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:20 pm
by derzai
LoopStationZebra wrote:^this discussion during the last several posts.. (except nathannn, who's usually ranting about nothing)
This KIND of discussion you all are having right now.... oh god.
That's the kind of discussion that arsehole programmers were having in the days before Flash. When every website ended up looking like this:
http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/PERL/node250.html
Thats the very discussion that Jobs and Adobe are having.
Its all about standards, and as wise man said: nice thing about standard is that there are so many of them.
Of course it is about market share.
So if you want to sell bikinis to eskimo's you will have to tell them that it is going to be a very hot summer.
Who cares.