Komplete 7 near release

[Machinesworking]

You're dammed, I don't know how many times the OSX version of Absynth got held back. They initially said three months. about 1 year and a half later it came out.

Say what?

The first OSX version of Absynth came out when Absynth 2 was first released- that was 2003. It and Reaktor were the first NI apps with OSX versions if I remember.

Now, if you're talking IntelMac, that's a different story.

ew

The AU version did not come out when Absynth 2 was first released. I bought the OS9 version of Absynth 2(could have been 1.5, can't remember?), with the free update to the OSX AU version, that was projected for release three months later. It was quite some time before it was released. Reactor as a plug in in OSX was horrid until about 4.5, so it doesn't count really. Point was I wouldn't wait around on vaporware if you want to make music. I don't think that's a good strategy, and Kore 2 as it is is pretty great!

[dum]

I don't need kore2 to make tunes though. It's a luxury item in a way. I already do the same thing (fx/instrument chains ) with plogue bidule - so I can migrate chains from host to host, just it's not as lickity-split like kore with the library look-up/browser aspect. But it's been serving me well for some time now. Not to mention the fact you can go crazy with routing in bidule...


That's why I can afford to be a little bit patient for kore.

[beats me]

Now, if you're talking IntelMac, that's a different story.

(Not) funny story. After a long break from music I decided to get back into it with the new purchase of Live 5. Soon after that I decided it was time to start getting plug-ins and my first choice was Battery 2. I was all excited when I got it until I realized it didn't work. So I called NI, and it really takes a lot of BS to inspire me to call a company's tech support but I was at my wits end. Through I brief discussion it was determined it didn't work on Intel Macs (not exactly a new thing even way back then). But fortunately Battery 3 was coming out in a couple months and that would work. Yay! But no, I was told I'd have to pay the same upgrade price as everybody else. Not offering a free upgrade during a grace period of a new release is one thing but not giving a free upgrade on newly purchased software they know doesn't work on a lot of people's computers is beyond fucked up. Long story short I am the only asshole on earth who bought Battery 3 for $300 that wasn't even bundled with so much as a thank you.

But here I am years later owning most of NI's software and 3 pieces of their hardware. So there's a lesson here. I'm a weak willed individual with no backbone.

[dum]

I bought an intel mac at the same time, also live5.

Back then 'MacIntel' compatibility (universal binary) was a big talking point with any OSX software.

Are you telling us Native Instruments claimed Battery 2 was compatible with MacIntels - but it wasn't ?
or are you telling us you bought a MacIntel and went about buying software without checking if it was compatible or not ?

[Machinesworking]

Intel macs (2005) weren't out when Battery 2 was introduced (2004), so expecting compatibility was foolish.

If you hadn't been in the loop with audio software though, or Apples transitions, then I would blame the sales guy for not telling you
to watch what you purchase, Apple's or the music store you got Battery 2 at. Thing is most software that isn't audio related works OK in Rosetta. Blaming NI in this case isn't cool.

[beats me]

Blaming NI isn't cool? It's at least partially cool and bullshit customer service. This was a brand new license and I had the receipt from the store with the date on it to prove it. So it's blatantly obvious I got it recently and wasn't trying to pull some free upgrade scam off a used copy I got for cheap or free. Both NI and Guitar Center (shoot me) had a no return policy on software. So I was left with no other option than to pay for an upgrade. Jesus, software companies now frequently have a free upgrade path if you buy the old version within several months before a new release and that's just an upgrade, has nothing to do with a known working issue the upgrade would fix. Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I got a free upgrade to Live 6 because I got Live 5 so close to the release.

I probably could have gotten this sorted out for free if I made more of a stink with either company, but I didn't, and I shouldn't have had to in the first place and both companies had no sympathy for the situation, not even suggesting I should have done some research. It was all "that's just how it is".

[Machinesworking]

Blaming NI isn't cool? It's at least partially cool and bullshit customer service. This was a brand new license and I had the receipt from the store with the date on it to prove it. So it's blatantly obvious I got it recently and wasn't trying to pull some free upgrade scam off a used copy I got for cheap or free. Both NI and Guitar Center (shoot me) had a no return policy on software. So I was left with no other option than to pay for an upgrade. Jesus, software companies now frequently have a free upgrade path if you buy the old version within several months before a new release and that's just an upgrade, has nothing to do with a known working issue the upgrade would fix. Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I got a free upgrade to Live 6 because I got Live 5 so close to the release.

I probably could have gotten this sorted out for free if I made more of a stink with either company, but I didn't, and I shouldn't have had to in the first place and both companies had no sympathy for the situation, not even suggesting I should have done some research. It was all "that's just how it is".

Sorry buddy, but you're at fault there, Intel from PPC was a HUGE jump, if you somehow didn't know that code had to be rewritten, then you didn't do any research at all before purchasing software. Like I said, Battery 2 was out a full YEAR before Intel macs even came out. You might have been able to wrangle some sort of deal, but buying a new mac for music, with a chip change so close, then not asking or knowing whether the software you purchase has been written for the new architecture is pretty foolish. Didn't you go through OS9 to OSX or not? If not I understand, if you did, then what are you doing blaming NI? They had to rewrite Battery 3 pretty much from scratch for Intel macs. I'm dammed sure the Battery 2 box didn't have a universal binary icon on it. If anything it's Guitar Center that's at fault, now you know not to trust them. Hard lesson for sure.

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@ Machinesworking: "I dunno dating otherwise healthy over sexed crazed meth heads is similar to riding the NI train I think! "

HA!



REFLEKTOR = I'm pretty hungry for a good convolution reverb that doesn't cost 5 hundred fucking dollars!!!!!!!!!! My tunes will still suk but it will be alot of fun!
REAKTOR SPARK = Nice
RAMMFIRE = Sounds pretty rad... more distort options? Bring it!
REAKTOR PRISM = CDM were like it's pretty damn interesting...
TRAKTOR'S 12 = Sounds fun... have heard the effects in Traktor are pretty bad ass... now I get to have a play.

Also a Reaktor Player... hmmm

Komplete 5 here and skipped Komplete 6 just like I'm gonna skip Live 8. For 199 this will be a very promising update!


KORE I am personally very frustrated with... shit is kinda sad for me at least.

[Machinesworking]

@beats me- FYI I bought Komplete 6 a couple months ago, before it arrived NI announced a half off sale on Komplete 6 upgrades, and I'm not complaining that there's no discount to K7 for me. Name of the game, I've won some, this time I lost, but not really, I still have Komplete 6!

[beats me]

@beats me- FYI I bought Komplete 6 a couple months ago, before it arrived NI announced a half off sale on Komplete 6 upgrades, and I'm not complaining that there's no discount to K7 for me. Name of the game, I've won some, this time I lost, but not really, I still have Komplete 6!

Eh, I was somewhat overreacting in my explanation but it was inspired by ew saying NI lagged on making their software UB which insinuates them taking longer than other companies and I probably just assumed by the time of my late purchase (not knowing their lag time history) that it was done. And I did do some research and I think there was at least the rumor that there was a patch out or was going to be one soon. But I can't backdate my browser to 2006 to prove that.

But the all time UB lag music software gold metal has to go to Spectrasonics. Their update FAQ almost got to the point of saying "WE KNOW ALREADY FOR LIKE THE MILLIONTH TIME. God. Fuck off."

I was around Macs with the whole OS9 and OSX dual boot bullshit which ultimately drove me into the arms of PCs but after about 4 years of being able to gum up my PC with the slightest of effort I went back to Macs....I guess just in time for the latest round of bullshit.

[Machinesworking]

Somewhat?
If you did research and didn't find out if the update to Intel would be free or not.... shameful!
No i get it, I switched DAWs three times. I"m not wiling to wait around for software developers to catch up, and I don't mind jumping around a bit.
Sounds like you came back at the wrong time, that's most definitely Guitar Center dweebs being ignorant. Sorry you got caught in it. Spectrasonics really shafted themselves, and conversely their user base when they went to third parties for part of their code (hint hint Ableton!), I think they could have handled it better, but from talking to them it sounded like the only solution besides what they did do would have bankrupted them. That's the reality of audio software, the money isn't huge, and they have to keep selling product to stay afloat. Shit I think at this point only Live, Reaper, and Digital Performer aren't owned by some huge company? PT-Avid, Cubase-Yamaha, Sonar-Roland, Logic-Apple.

All this makes me realize that in many ways a Receptor with all your plug ins on it is the safest way to not run into this shit. Too bad I don't have $2,500+ lying around for one.

[Ben_Binary]

So what responsibilities to a customer does a software company have after they accept payment?

If they state in the terms of use that its a lease then how does that change the game?
You cant lease a defective product anymore than you can sell one because they havent completed the contract if they dont deliver what you pay for.

[beats me]

Somewhat?
If you did research and didn't find out if the update to Intel would be free or not.... shameful!

But I'd also like to say both the net and my usage of it has matured since then. Back then I wasn't a member of this forum or any other music related forum. My previous music experience was largely hardware based aside from Cubase which I pretty much just used to record tracks and adjust levels. Almost everything else was done outboard.

I'm sure you could probably say "[this music site] has been around for ages." but I wasn't a member or a frequent visitor and I'm sure I probably even came across the random usual "works fine for me." or "a little buggy but I got it to work by……". So I rolled the dice and I lost.

[Machinesworking]

So I rolled the dice and I lost.

Yah, one of the ways that software is inferior to hardware.
You buy a MPC and it will always be able to be recorded, by any computer that's capable of recording.
The only way to insure that computers are always working in the same state is to freeze updates and upgrades, hard and soft.
...and most people simply don't have that kind of willpower when presented with new shiny stuff.

[ewistrand]

Eh, I was somewhat overreacting in my explanation but it was inspired by ew saying NI lagged on making their software UB which insinuates them taking longer than other companies

That's not what I'm said at all. I said that the UB version took longer to come out; I in no way implied that they were lagging behind others, etc. For God's sake- Spectrasonics used a Rosetta wrapper finally to make Atmosphere UB, and this was two years after the fact. A lot of companies were pokier than NI with the switch; in fact, considering the size of NI's product line, it went fairly quickly.

Don't put words in my mouth.

ew