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madlab wrote:

beats me wrote: Heard something on the radio the other day that if they got rid of a lot of public assistance bloat and overhead they could use the same money to give every American citizen a check for $17,000. I think that would be an interesting experiment and at least on some level would give a boost to the economy with our rampant consumerism mentality.

Why would we give every american citizen a check ? So you could buy more shit ? or maybe pay to China what you owe them...

The US national debt is $14,000,000,000,000 . Each US citizen's share of this debt is over $44,000. It is currently increasing at over $4,000,000,000 a day. US has a low savings ratio and 25% of US debt is owned by foreigners. Does this sound like successful capitalism?

LoopStationZebra wrote:
You know, you don't see the Chinese whining like bitchy little girls as they trudge off to work their 10 hour days in the Apple factory. The French should take careful note.

This.

REALITY CHECK #1

France, Greece, and any number of other socialist shithole countries has seen declining new business start-ups and new capital investment numbers since LONG before this financial crisis. Job creation throughout Europe was practically at a standstill before this mess, and sure as shit isn't going anywhere now.

Why?

Because by the time any new business gets started they have been utterly bled dry by socialist SHITE requirements like mandatory 12 month maternity leave for the woman, and nearly as much for the man. 1 months or more of vacation time. The usual several week factory shut-down in the summer for.....nap time? It's too hot? Who the fuck knows. The OUTRAGEOUSLY fucking high corporate taxes. The OUTRAGEOUSLY high amount of money that must be paid BEFORE your company opens for the unGodly amount of inspection fees, license fees, energy fees, blah blah blah. Oh, and let's not forget that you have to pay some retard €30 per hour to sweep your floors or clean your bathrooms because that's the government mandated minimum.

So, after all that (and there's so much more, but let's start there, shall we?) the company owner takes a look at what they are up against and immediately opens his new factory in China.

The irony is so thick you can cut it with a government funded knife.

Workers can whine and bitch all they want. But Reality Check #1 is that while they are doing so, their job is being sent to a nice 30 something fellow who lives just outside of Beijing and is willing to do just about anything to keep it.

LoopStationZebra wrote:REALITY CHECK #1

France, Greece, and any number of other socialist shithole countries has seen declining new business start-ups and new capital investment numbers since LONG before this financial crisis. Job creation throughout Europe was practically at a standstill before this mess, and sure as shit isn't going anywhere now.

Why?

Because by the time any new business gets started they have been utterly bled dry by socialist SHITE requirements like mandatory 12 month maternity leave for the woman, and nearly as much for the man. 1 months or more of vacation time. The usual several week factory shut-down in the summer for.....nap time? It's too hot? Who the fuck knows. The OUTRAGEOUSLY fucking high corporate taxes. The OUTRAGEOUSLY high amount of money that must be paid BEFORE your company opens for the unGodly amount of inspection fees, license fees, energy fees, blah blah blah. Oh, and let's not forget that you have to pay some retard €30 per hour to sweep your floors or clean your bathrooms because that's the government mandated minimum.

So, after all that (and there's so much more, but let's start there, shall we?) the company owner takes a look at what they are up against and immediately opens his new factory in China.

The irony is so thick you can cut it with a government funded knife.

Workers can whine and bitch all they want. But Reality Check #1 is that while they are doing so, their job is being sent to a nice 30 something fellow who lives just outside of Beijing and is willing to do just about anything to keep it.

A lot of strawman and false information as well.

France doesnt even have a trade deficit.

And the U.S. account balance is number 181 in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... nt_balance

The real reality check is that half of your country is on crystal meth.

Its like Goebbels in 1943: "We're still winning on all fronts"

Keep d.reaming.

And here's some french design.

And now go have a wank and come back with some more crap.

LoopStationZebra wrote:REALITY CHECK #1

France, Greece, and any number of other socialist shithole countries has seen declining new business start-ups and new capital investment numbers since LONG before this financial crisis. Job creation throughout Europe was practically at a standstill before this mess, and sure as shit isn't going anywhere now.

Why?

Because by the time any new business gets started they have been utterly bled dry by socialist SHITE requirements like mandatory 12 month maternity leave for the woman, and nearly as much for the man. 1 months or more of vacation time. The usual several week factory shut-down in the summer for.....nap time? It's too hot? Who the fuck knows. The OUTRAGEOUSLY fucking high corporate taxes. The OUTRAGEOUSLY high amount of money that must be paid BEFORE your company opens for the unGodly amount of inspection fees, license fees, energy fees, blah blah blah. Oh, and let's not forget that you have to pay some retard €30 per hour to sweep your floors or clean your bathrooms because that's the government mandated minimum.

So, after all that (and there's so much more, but let's start there, shall we?) the company owner takes a look at what they are up against and immediately opens his new factory in China.

The irony is so thick you can cut it with a government funded knife.

Workers can whine and bitch all they want. But Reality Check #1 is that while they are doing so, their job is being sent to a nice 30 something fellow who lives just outside of Beijing and is willing to do just about anything to keep it.

I live in France since I was born and sure, I would be aware if it ever was a socialist country...
And about your last point, the same happens to the american workers. China ha f_cked you up, as they have f_cked up all other countries. Just to copy your wonderful capitalist model.

alex.the.forge wrote:should change it to "crazy" bastards: http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/worl ... estration/

Sweet ol' california ! Thanks Beats Me for the info. And the guy was left free...
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/p ... s/19685921

LoopStationZebra wrote:The irony is so thick you can cut it with a government funded knife.

i don't care who you are... thats some funny shit right there!

nathannn wrote:

d.reamonn wrote:

nathannn wrote:it think its bullshit that the government has not put a cap on how many hours you can work a week

You know, one day you will be dead and forgotten and the world will be a better place...

And no, I'm not kidding

jeez you are an insane bastard ... and im not even kidding.
do you like working 50+ hours?
do you like being told you MUST work that many hours or find another job?
do you like when company's are allowed to use people?
what the fucks your problem?

and when i die the world is going to be a sad piss hole..

Don't even bother, the guy's quoting Ayn Rand, thinks he's got it all figured out because he's taken by an ex monarchy family heiress who pretty much has the same philosophy as the fascists, but hides behind "capitalism". IE she's a social Darwinist, pretty much believes that there's an "underclass" of undesirables who must be "tamed". It's a convenient philosophy for people from owning class families that have a history of atrocity etc. It's no wonder he's willing to pretty much tell you that you're better off dead, think about it? he doesn't know you, yet goes right into telling you you're worthless. What kind of person is that?

thanks

nathannn wrote: jeez you are an insane bastard ... and im not even kidding.
do you like working 50+ hours?
do you like being told you MUST work that many hours or find another job?
do you like when company's are allowed to use people?
what the fucks your problem?

and when i die the world is going to be a sad piss hole..

My problem is hippy scum like you who seem to think that companies owe you jobs. If a company is good enough to employ you, you should be sucking on their balls out of gratitude, not whining like a bitch. If, on the other hand, you don't like the terms they offer you, then that's fine too--don't work for them, no one's putting a gun to your head.

To be clear: you are not entitled to a job, only to the money that is yours by right, as specified by the contract you sign and whose terms you AGREE TO. Your notion of circumventing this practice and compelling, by USE OF FORCE, your innocent employer to grant your every wish and whim is pure evil. You are essentially putting a gun to THEIR HEAD.

So there you have it, you petty excuse for a human being, the reason why you and your kind will not be missed come my planned anti-communist killing spree.

Watch this space --> <--

Oh, it's on, bitch.

Machinesworking wrote: Don't even bother, the guy's quoting Ayn Rand, thinks he's got it all figured out because he's taken by an ex monarchy family heiress who pretty much has the same philosophy as the fascists, but hides behind "capitalism". IE she's a social Darwinist, pretty much believes that there's an "underclass" of undesirables who must be "tamed". It's a convenient philosophy for people from owning class families that have a history of atrocity etc. It's no wonder he's willing to pretty much tell you that you're better off dead, think about it? he doesn't know you, yet goes right into telling you you're worthless. What kind of person is that?

^ this

Apart from:

Machinesworking wrote: the same philosophy as the fascists

^ this.

Be a dear and do tell me how you conclude "fascist" from "let's all be free and productive"?

d.reamonn wrote: Be a dear and do tell me how you conclude "fascist" from "let's all be free and productive"?

What's the point? You don't get it, you're fine with thinking people are mostly sheep and the rest of what I wrote about Rand, which is exactly the same philosophy as the fascists.
You have a fascist mentality, what with wishing people dead, so you're hopelessly deluded in thinking you hold any value to human life. Free and productive for the few who deserve it is a little more apropos with you're thinking, which again is no different from fascist or dictatorial philosophy. You show me a fair society and we'll talk about the benefits of a Laissez Faire Capitalism, but until people are all born with the exact same advantages at birth, this is a bullshit pipe dream.

Thing is it's obvious to me that you're not that versed in political ideologies, plus you're emotionally infantile, so it's not worth my time to continue this discussion. Hopefully in the future you look back on your abusive treatment of people in public forums etc. with embarrassment, and realize that the world isn't as black and white (another trait of fascist thinking) as you would like it to be.

Machinesworking wrote: What's the point? You don't get it, you're fine with thinking people are mostly sheep and the rest of what I wrote about Rand, which is exactly the same philosophy as the fascists.
You have a fascist mentality, what with wishing people dead, so you're hopelessly deluded in thinking you hold any value to human life. Free and productive for the few who deserve it is a little more apropos with you're thinking, which again is no different from fascist or dictatorial philosophy. You show me a fair society and we'll talk about the benefits of a Laissez Faire Capitalism, but until people are all born with the exact same advantages at birth, this is a bullshit pipe dream.

Thing is it's obvious to me that you're not that versed in political ideologies, plus you're emotionally infantile, so it's not worth my time to continue this discussion. Hopefully in the future you look back on your abusive treatment of people in public forums etc. with embarrassment, and realize that the world isn't as black and white (another trait of fascist thinking) as you would like it to be.

Yeah, and I'm the one jumping to conclusions about people. Seriously, wow. I say two lines, and you instantly jump to Ayn Rand and fascism. Why don't you just call me racist and be done with it?

Machinesworking wrote:Thing is it's obvious to me that you're not that versed in political ideologies

I really think you should look up the definition of fascism and the Fascist Manifesto before you go any further...

Highlights include:

- The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers
- A minimum wage
- The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions
- Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55

All in all, you lose. Massively.

Ya fascist cunt