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Kontakt is great however... "Kontakt is a proper sampler"!

If it were a proper sampler you would be able to input audio, like a good old Akai, directly into it and not arse about with WAV's.

CFM wrote:Kontakt is great however... "Kontakt is a proper sampler"!

If it were a proper sampler you would be able to input audio, like a good old Akai, directly into it and not arse about with WAV's.

+1 !!!
goes for sampler/simpler as well !
if only 'looper' could be incorporated within 'sampler' that would be great !
although a big big plus in sampler/simpler is being able to drag audio clips right into it!
but you still need to:
'record...stop record...set up... drag in'... there are 2 really annoying steps in there..guess what they are?

my method is to set the browser inside Kontakt to the projects' samples\recorded folder and simply save...
and drag the wav in from inside kontakt
you can later make a front-end 'performance' mode for your 'instrument'
similliar to 'rack-macros'(only better) to save space



I do agree that there is a large amount of scrolling involved in 'Kontakt'GUI but..
it's so robust that it's necessary !
(and complex live-racks are no better ..on the contrary.. imho)
I agree the GUI needs better human-engineering..
although I have no idea how you can make it better ..there will be scrolling and paging involved with so many parameters...

don't get me wrong.. I only have Kontakt for 1 year now..
and I've had 'sampler' pretty close to when it was released.. 4 years mol..
my opinion is...
you'd have to be blind to ignore how much superior Kontakt is feature-wise..
it's an environment on it's own.. complete with fx modulators scripting mixer etc..
except having a multitrack timeline árrangement and audio recording features...
it's pretty much a complete workstation..
waaay more powerful than any sample workstation I know..hw/sw..
(except for Ableton Live of course)

recording a clip is fast in live imho, just map play and stop.

for sampler ->just drag
for kontakt -> on clip - right mouse click - show in explorer - drag from there into kontakt (also relatively fast)

^huh...'show in explorer' ...how could I have missed that ??
Thx !!

it's an environment on it's own..

This is what to keep in mind. A lot of software choices these days (not just music, this includes business, design, etc.) come down to "do I choose something that does 80% of what I want it to do and is simple or go with a deep environment that I have to invest time to learn but has every feature I want at the moment and probably many I don't even know I might want."

And my best advice is be very certain when you choose the latter - only use the deep tools on those things that you really spend a lot of time on - otherwise stick with simplicity. Simplicity is currently a very underrated but powerful choice....maybe more powerful in the long run than actually using the power environment.

I disagree ..to me it means : go as deep as you want..
an ocean rather than a swimming pool..

3dot... wrote:I agree the GUI needs better human-engineering..
although I have no idea how you can make it better ..there will be scrolling and paging involved with so many parameters...

Not necessarily. If you look at Vember Audios Surge, they have a very complex synth, with only one click assignment of anything. 12 lfo/envelopes, and 8 macros. Click on one of those, and then just click directly on the parameter you wish to assign it to. Its all in one page. There is no mod matrix, and no menus to scroll.

Their sampler could have been something (Shortcurcuit), but development was discontinued early, and sold to Image Line (Fruity Loops). Its the only solid vst sampler (DirectWave) I know of, where it is possible to actually sample (record) directly.

The creator, Claes, used to work for Ableton a while back. But he quit and started a new company with 3 other guys: Bitwig. They started a couple of years ago, but no one knows what they are actually doing. Heres the links, if anyone is interested:

http://vemberaudio.se/shortcircuit.php
http://flstudio.image-line.com/document ... twave.html
http://bitwig.com/

marra wrote:

glitchrock-buddha wrote:Two reasons I like Kontakt over sampler. One is that there is time stretching (ie. time independent pitching of samples) which lets you create patches from samples that don't change sample length as you change pitch.

This is coming !!

What makes you say this?

People have been asking since about 5 years ago....

glitchrock-buddha wrote:

marra wrote:

glitchrock-buddha wrote:Two reasons I like Kontakt over sampler. One is that there is time stretching (ie. time independent pitching of samples) which lets you create patches from samples that don't change sample length as you change pitch.

This is coming !!

What makes you say this?

People have been asking since about 5 years ago....

Time stretching in Sampler(ie. time independent pitching of samples) will be possible but only while using SHARE with other Sampler owners.

I have both and would choose Kontakt 4, because with jbridge you can run it outside of Live's memory and avoid memory issues. It also has higher quality bundled content and lots of third party support for new instruments. But for pure sampling, I'd use sampler for it's simplicity.

marra wrote:

glitchrock-buddha wrote:Two reasons I like Kontakt over sampler. One is that there is time stretching (ie. time independent pitching of samples) which lets you create patches from samples that don't change sample length as you change pitch.

This is coming !!

com'on Marra, tell us why you said this... major improvements to sampler are one of the few features that would make me look kindly on Live 9.