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see in my opinion that clip you posted is hiphop, and the stuff you call hiphop is rapmusic
and I agree that the commerciality of it has been a bad joke just like with other forms of music I guess.

Machinesworking wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:

Machinesworking wrote:Meh, I lost interest in rap when it deviated from Hip Hop.
Now the only people who don't are all PC or funny, can't find stuff like this anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0b0jIaC ... re=related

you're the last person I'd expect to care about rap music.

hip hop and rap are not the same thing. you should know that by now, but you're not into either.

nothing personal, you kick ass in knowledge of the stuff you do listen to.

They diverged, rap and hip hop have a common ancestry, no doubt about that. You're making a snap judgment without putting too much thought into it. You could ask me if I was interested in hip hop and rap, but you instead assumed I wasn't.
I was very into rap/hip hop as a kid when it started in the 80's, not to play it per say, but I listened to a good amount, Run DMC, Egyptian Lover, Public Enemy, Eric B and Rakim, Afrika Bambaataa, Whodini. Hell, I heard Cookie Puss the day it came out, had a friend who though the Beastie Boys punk stuff was fun, so he got all excited when that single dropped. Obscure stuff like Gary S. Clail, Tackhead, Mantronix, and groups I can't remember the name of . Later on Wu tang Clan and the first NWA, The Doc, Hoes with Attitude etc.

Like I said, I lost interest after every producer tried to remake The Chronic, which is still going on.

The Doc is another great rapper, too bad a car crash crushed his vocal chords.
Loved his delivery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiPbeIXZpD4

always with the personal attacks.

hip hop is a culture. it consists of at least five elements
- rapping
- break dancing
- graffiti (go see Exit Through The Gift Shop)
- beat boxing (Fat Boys)
- turntablism

MW your hubris is amusing at times. you don't know shit about rap music.

starving student wrote:see in my opinion that clip you posted is hiphop, and the stuff you call hiphop is rapmusic
and I agree that the commerciality of it has been a bad joke just like with other forms of music I guess.

Rap isnt a genre of music - its something you do with your voice that can work in any genre of music - just like singing is something else you can do with your voice. Its kind of like saying singing = rock music...

As a rapper you know this right?

(I know 'rap music' is used interchangable to mean 'hip hop' - something else they stole I guess).

jtdj wrote:the police arent decent people they are a bunch of absolute fucking bullying cunts!

That comes down to luck of the draw. Some are, some aren't. That's why I think rhymes saying they all are are silly.

Why did the bouncers start? No reason at all? I take it they managed to lose any CCTV the casino had?

Piplodocus wrote:

jtdj wrote:the police arent decent people they are a bunch of absolute fucking bullying cunts!

That comes down to luck of the draw. Some are, some aren't. That's why I think rhymes saying they all are are silly.

Why did the bouncers start? No reason at all? I take it they managed to lose any CCTV the casino had?

it was one of those rare nights i was having major luck on roulette, i'd had a few drinks and everytime i won i was saying 'shit-hot' and what have you, not relli thinkin. then got told to leave, a bouncer escorted me to the cash desk, once i had my money he sorta grabbed me to get me out even though i was going, i pushed him off, next thing i know more come over and start layin into me and the police are called. they didnt help or bother listening to me so i refused to comply, so they basically tortured and beat me before detaining me for 3 days. monday morning was told if i leave it at that there'll be no more trouble. no wonder people hate the police, that was my first direct experience with them, fuckin pricks.

That sucks.

I'm always nice as pie to policemen, even if they're being stupid, since pissing them off will never do you any favours. I've even got off lightly by being overly polite and helpful when i was younger, when i have been caught being naughty. It sucks having to take some shit, and swallow your pride, but then they will treat you with more respect and are generally fair (though not always obviously). If they are called to take sides between the security of an establishment, or a possibly intoxicated punter they're naturally gonna take their side no matter how wrong they are. Sucks, but that's the way you have to play the game. Since they're in the strong position you only have it all to lose, and nothing to really gain.

garyboozy wrote:

H20nly wrote:Funkdoobiest... a bit more enlightened...

ok. i was clumping... but they were definitely not on Dre's nuts or trying to be some kind of gangsta bank robbing killas with a confession a whole album long. they were fun.

Khazul wrote:

starving student wrote:see in my opinion that clip you posted is hiphop, and the stuff you call hiphop is rapmusic
and I agree that the commerciality of it has been a bad joke just like with other forms of music I guess.

Rap isnt a genre of music - its something you do with your voice that can work in any genre of music - just like singing is something else you can do with your voice. Its kind of like saying singing = rock music...

As a rapper you know this right?

(I know 'rap music' is used interchangable to mean 'hip hop' - something else they stole I guess).

of course Rap is a genre, don't let the popculture police fool you, sure I'm familiar with all of the virtuous tomes of Rap knowledge but I prefer to go with reality and think for myself. Rapmusic was a genre long before hiphop, hiphop is a culture thats for sure but hiphop is also a genre, and why shouldn't there be, most cultures have genres of music that go along with them too, rockers ie rock music comes to mind, there
are also subgenres of both rapmusic and hiphop music that are all pretty specific. allot of people like to quote krs saying 'rap is something you do' but if you think for yourself and pay attention to everything else krs says you'll also clearly see that he absolutely believes that there is a difference between music called hiphop and music called rapmusic, krs does not believe that his music is the same as little waynes music by any stretch of the imagination, that's because they are two different genres.

btw technically I'm an mc not a rapper, but yes I rap. I only call myself a rapper when I want to piss somebody off who doesn't know the difference between an mc and a rapper.

xzusa8ky wrote:

H20nly wrote:so.

my statement still stands.

H20nly wrote:wow... your age AND the last time you had a listen to a good rap album is showing.

I guess you was playin with your playmobil and lego at that time? I feel sorry for you that you missed the show back then...............And guess what? It wont repeat! What a shame...

yeah? neither will the 90's that you must have missed putting on your depends and getting a tall glass of prune juice. it won't repeat, what a shame.


you guys are missing the point. i am not knocking old school shit, hell no, but the way you post... it all ended with the likes of the Grandmaster Flash and the Fat Boys. my stance in this is: NO, it didn't. you just quit listening.

starving student wrote:of course Rap is a genre, don't let the popculture police fool you

I thought it was the popculture police who claim its a genre - their need to stick a genre label on everything for fear of not belonging
So - what genre is rapping over an instrumental electro house track?

(And if you say 'funky house' - consider youself cursed for eternity )

here's one of my favorite examples:

this is hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCZHJrooobs

and this is rapmusic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edvdmq7yXKQ

two diff genres by the same person

starving student wrote:here's one of my favorite examples:

this is hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCZHJrooobs

and this is rapmusic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edvdmq7yXKQ

two diff genres by the same person

I dont need to even watch them to see your confusion between rap and rapmusic

(But i might have labelled them the other way around if I had to )

Khazul wrote:

starving student wrote:of course Rap is a genre, don't let the popculture police fool you

I thought it was the popculture police who claim its a genre - their need to stick a genre label on everything for fear of not belonging
So - what genre is rapping over an instrumental electro house track?

(And if you say 'funky house' - consider youself cursed for eternity )

I've often rebelled against labels but in truth it's not the system of catagorization that is evil it's people who use the system of catagorization for evil purposes that are evil I mean call me black just don't hate me for it.

I would probably just call that rapping over an instrumental electro house track, unless it turned into a movement and then I'd call it what the movement called it, of course if El-p produced it and rapped on the track I'd call it hiphop.

starving student wrote: btw technically I'm an mc not a rapper, but yes I rap. I only call myself a rapper when I want to piss somebody off who doesn't know the difference between an mc and a rapper.

maybe I'm not down with the kids these days, but what's the difference? (other than MC's can also just announce people and do introductions at weddings and award ceremonies)