Laurent Garnier - Fuck USA

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Post by Rx » Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:06 pm

AdamJay wrote:LiveLong, i totally agree that its fucked up... just pointing out that there's perhaps a deeper reason Garnier has to leap through hoops to get here to work these days. Just speculating on an explanation for it all.
well, he's French, and the French have been vilified by the average American lacking critical-thinking skills. of course, that may not just be it - he is also a purveyor of that subversive music where people just ... dance.

with 'dance' being a codeword for drugs, sodomy and other un-American activities.
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Post by Angstrom » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:01 pm

Just so you know, Here's the info for EU travellers (specifiaclly British) to the US

"Special Registration Procedures " is the term used to indicate the new enttry procedure for EU citizens.

It is on the discretion of USCIS officers, based on either information stored in common databases - or on anything they feel like
An USCIS officer will inform you if you will need to follow the special registration procedures. You will be instructed to go to an area where you will be fingerprinted, photographed, asked to show documents, and interviewed as to the length and purpose of your stay in the United States. Additional information on how to follow the special registration procedures will be provided to you when you are registered.
from :
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web/vi ... ration.htm

note : the items about 'over 30 days stay ' etc , do not limit the SRP to over 30 day stays, but make it mandatory for those staying over 30 days. All others coming under SRP are in addition to that (and discretionary)

So if you are arabic looking, or are on the DB as being a protester in an anti war march and are staying for only 3 days .. expect a long interview!

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Post by Rx » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:10 pm

i'm indian and my parents got harassed by security in an airport a while back - im guessing it's because they fit the profile of the single arabic-looking male with only carry-on luggage.
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it's about truth

Post by mikemc » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:21 pm

There were some things said here worth addressing (some are more 'party line-esque' swipes at capitalism, and american hegemony, etc...)
*when terms like "freedom" "liberty" "democracy" are thrown around so thoughtlesly like they are in the u.s., people actually beleive that they are those things
Yes, at it's extreme, it is pure Orwell. We do not control foreign policy from the ballot box, and even those people we elect are not first-person controllers of foreign policy. But don't worry, Victory is available by the glass.
*if europeans feel that americans do not think enough before reacting
It's not just the Europeans.

The proximate cause of the 9-11 attacks were plans and covert private militia that were in turn harbored and supported by what was then the de-facto Afghan government, who in turn were supported by the Pakistanis who in turn are the closest US allies in that region. HTF did that happen? Read in Time magazine that in 2000 when the outgoing adminstration wanted to brief the incoming on the terrorist threat, they were brushed off, thanks no thanks we'll take it from here.

Everybody was stunned by these events, we are still stunned and the reason that the number of people voted the way they did was because that choice was crafted to appear as if a a nice warm hole would be provided to stick their ostrich heads in while the military made dull bumping noises outside.

I do not agree with the majority of the anti-capitalist rhetoric, but it is absolutely the case the US has an Oil problem and we need to admit that Oil has taken control of our lives and we are powerless over it :), then *really* get on the twelve step program to alternative energy.

The Europeans do us a huge service when they point out at every possible opportunity that the American people were let down by the idiotic web of illusory control that was being operated by people who siphon off BILLIONS of dollars of tax money and who are *not* elected but appointed or hired 'career' diplomats, because, guess what, THEY see the 'working end' of what these people we're paying do and WE DON'T.

Most people in the US still aren't interested the right way, and this is to the discredit of the US public at large, and in the interest of keeping the ostrich hole nice and opaque if one does happen to be interested, we're not going to hear about it from sources here.
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Post by AdamJay » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:35 pm

okay i got $.02 more to throw into the pot..

remember, well over 50% of Americans want that fuckstick GWB and all his civil liberty squashing chronies OUT.

while Bush did get 50% of the popular vote, this doesn't count all the people who were disenfranchised from voting (show me 1 republican voter that's complained about disenfranchisement in the last 8 years, and i'll show you 2,000 voters that aren't republicans), nor does it include Convicts that have lost their rights to vote.

MOST of the people that live here, want him out, don't mistake that. And don't blame the American public for letting him stay, because only part of that public believes his bullshit.

any chance of a revolution got squashed after WTO and IMF protests in Seattle. that was the start of change, but the media blew that shit so far out of proportion, its impossible to protest within 1/2 a mile of ANYTHING anymore. our hands are tied, and you'd believe that if you lived here.
the economy is shit. the only people making money in this country are those who had money to begin with.

this McWorld pays minimum wage folks, and if you talk back to the manager you're fired. but you still gotta survive. its so fucked up.

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Post by kennerb » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:48 pm

AdamJay wrote:wierd, i don't have any problems getting in and out of the U.S. to play.

hmmmm. :wink:
Adam I think the difference is that you are from the United States. The US is very touchy about people who travel constantly and are from certain places. F'd up a little yes and very over reactionary. As you can tell by the political climate and the way people vote in this countrly you have to know that the majority are scared Shytless about the world outside.

I think Frante of Spearhead put the overall American psyche to words well in a Chocolate Supa Highway with this;

"Yes I remember the time in Oklahoma
you tried to blame an Arab
but the whitey was the bomber
you be jumpin' to conclusions
I think you spent your whole life
watchin' cable in seclusion"

Please don't take this as a personal dig. I am only making a comment as to why customs (and the "Patriot" act) go to the extreems that they are.
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Post by AdamJay » Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:51 pm

kennerb wrote:
AdamJay wrote:wierd, i don't have any problems getting in and out of the U.S. to play.

hmmmm. :wink:
Adam I think the difference is that you are from the United States. The US is very touchy about people who travel constantly and are from certain places. F'd up a little yes and very over reactionary. As you can tell by the political climate and the way people vote in this countrly you have to know that the majority are scared Shytless about the world outside.

....................

Please don't take this as a personal dig. I am only making a comment as to why customs (and the "Patriot" act) go to the extreems that they are.
Bro, it was obviously a 100% sarcastic post.

hence the :wink:
this is why forums have emoticons.

if i really didn't understand why i could get in and out of the US and Laurent could not, i'd used the Confused emoticon.... :?

and now i'll use this one :roll:

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Post by 12micsn1 » Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:05 pm

That DJ guy whos pissed can whine and bitch all he wants but there are reasons why things are the way they are. I dont think people coming to the US really understand why the US policy is so strict for entering here. The US not only has a problem with possible terrorist but also with illegals crossing over the borders for work. Both problems have a big impact on the US economy and social system. Most people outside the US dont have the whole picture to look at or care about doing so. Its not your problem right? For the most part, as long as problems like this dont occur on your soil,"do you think any government is going to implement anything?" Maybe, we should all go out an test every nations government or monarchy with terrorist bent on mass destruction an see what happens. Sounds like a great idea. NOTT!!! If I was a suspected terrorist would you want to know everything about me entering your country. Especially, if im capable of such a act that occured on 911? I know thats a "yes" even though I cant hear you say it out loud. I wish the rules were different but I rather see this policy in place then knowing nothing was being done since 911. It took 3,000 people to die to for the US to make real change of its policy. I feel this guys pain about not wanting give out his personal information but its all comes down to security good or bad policy that it has become. Wouldnt you agree?

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true enough

Post by mikemc » Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:10 pm

MOST of the people that live here, want him out, don't mistake that. And don't blame the American public for letting him stay, because only part of that public believes his bullshit.
indeed, his last 'approval rating' was 45%, and that "oh there he goes on that" moaning noise from Congress during the state of the union, man, I don't think I've ever heard that.
its impossible to protest within 1/2 a mile of ANYTHING anymore.
The thing that is really disconcerting to me is the way the media is like utterly swilling the Dubya Cola, it is really and truly Freaky.
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Post by netchaiev » Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:35 pm

12micsn1,
It's incredible how brainwashed people like you 've got. No have NO clue on how this all 9/11 happned, nor why and let alone the consequencies. That's how Bush is still here, or Governator etc... Making the world pay for your own mistakes and discrepencies won't repair damage.
Anyway, "security" is an emotion, a feeling, i.e "I feel (un)secure",...
Look at Israel/Palestine for X sake!!!!! Put a wall whatever, if someone wants to, he/she will blow shit up!
I totally agree w/ laurent Garnier, this sort of invason gotta stop. And it's not w/ those measures that a "regular" american won't be able to throw a bomb (oklahoma or anything)... You felt secure before 9/11. Do YOU feel more secure now? How about someone asking to see your medical record before talking to you????
I hope I didn't waste my time on you.
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Re: true enough

Post by mike holiday » Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:42 pm

mikemc wrote: The thing that is really disconcerting to me is the way the media is like utterly swilling the Dubya Cola, it is really and truly Freaky.
that's the "liberal media" right? :wink:

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Post by hoffman2k » Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:09 pm

netchaiev wrote:12micsn1,
It's incredible how brainwashed people like you 've got. No have NO clue on how this all 9/11 happned, nor why and let alone the consequencies. That's how Bush is still here, or Governator etc... Making the world pay for your own mistakes and discrepencies won't repair damage.
Anyway, "security" is an emotion, a feeling, i.e "I feel (un)secure",...
Look at Israel/Palestine for X sake!!!!! Put a wall whatever, if someone wants to, he/she will blow shit up!
I totally agree w/ laurent Garnier, this sort of invason gotta stop. And it's not w/ those measures that a "regular" american won't be able to throw a bomb (oklahoma or anything)... You felt secure before 9/11. Do YOU feel more secure now? How about someone asking to see your medical record before talking to you????
I hope I didn't waste my time on you.
you're totally right. Where you by any chance in Paris on 15 september 2001? I was there. there was supposed to be a techno parade there. Party's in the street and all the other fun stuff. The tour bus i signed up with had heard nothing about a cancellation. There wasn't anything on the net neither. Imagine my surprise seeing the french army instead of a bunch of ravers.
I went for a drink with my friends in a cafe near the champes d' ellysee and enjoyed a spectacle that which i was told happens regularly in paris.
We weren't allowed to leave the cafe, because while we where drinking there. The street filled with policemen in heavy armor. There was a car bomb we where told. After some hours suspense the police blew up the car bomb themselves and life in paris went on.
With security and armed soldiers on every important street or monument.

Not all my experiences in paris where bad though. The mac expo is always fun. I started going for the macs. But i keep coming back for the girls 8O

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Post by Zakari Luk » Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:20 pm

12micsn1 wrote:That DJ guy whos pissed can whine and bitch all he wants but there are reasons why things are the way they are. I dont think people coming to the US really understand why the US policy is so strict for entering here. The US not only has a problem with possible terrorist but also with illegals crossing over the borders for work. Both problems have a big impact on the US economy and social system. Most people outside the US dont have the whole picture to look at or care about doing so. Its not your problem right? For the most part, as long as problems like this dont occur on your soil,"do you think any government is going to implement anything?" Maybe, we should all go out an test every nations government or monarchy with terrorist bent on mass destruction an see what happens. Sounds like a great idea. NOTT!!! If I was a suspected terrorist would you want to know everything about me entering your country. Especially, if im capable of such a act that occured on 911? I know thats a "yes" even though I cant hear you say it out loud. I wish the rules were different but I rather see this policy in place then knowing nothing was being done since 911. It took 3,000 people to die to for the US to make real change of its policy. I feel this guys pain about not wanting give out his personal information but its all comes down to security good or bad policy that it has become. Wouldnt you agree?
interesting opinion, however, completely spoon fed by the american propaganda machine.

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Post by illsub1 » Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:20 pm

To 12micsn1 I don't think you realize that our govt. PLANNED 9-11. Follow this link to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.........

http://www.libertythink.com/911.htm

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Post by jahnlay » Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:49 pm

I agree with Laurent Garnier 100%. Why should he have to submit himself to being given an anal cavity search? I wouldn't. I'm glad that someone's taken a stand. Americans don't experience all the bullsh-t that happens, so it's easy for them to say it's ok. I've lived under apartheid, so I know how f--ked up governments can get, Americans are being fear motivated by Bush to keep himself in power and to push up the price of oil so that his 1% richest "haves" can enjoy some extra cash, not too mention the 1% tax cut that the richest Americans are currently enjoying. If you, as Americans, don't see the propaganda being fed to you, ask friends from other countries, they'll tell you what's happening. It's just like being in a bad relationship, you don't always see how bad it is until you're out of it. :(
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