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glitchrock-buddha wrote:I have to say that S1 has some pretty sweet features. You can apply effects to individual regions rather than entire tracks. You can also freeze a track and continue to edit it! It moves the midi and the audio around at the same time. You can render a single region to audio and later restore it to its original with effects. Not bad.

DP does that too. Don't know how Sonar or Cubase handle it, but Logic is pretty rudimentary in audio handling freeze and rendering effects wise for sure.
Logic and Sonar were 64 bit first though.

Machinesworking wrote:

glitchrock-buddha wrote:I have to say that S1 has some pretty sweet features. You can apply effects to individual regions rather than entire tracks. You can also freeze a track and continue to edit it! It moves the midi and the audio around at the same time. You can render a single region to audio and later restore it to its original with effects. Not bad.

DP does that too. Don't know how Sonar or Cubase handle it, but Logic is pretty rudimentary in audio handling freeze and rendering effects wise for sure.
Logic and Sonar were 64 bit first though.

Ya Logic has a very basic freeze, which is surprising since it was the first to come out with it. You can't chose to leave out effects, which cubase can do. And logic only recently got the ability to bounce in place. But then it's separate from the midi track.

I'm interested to hear that DP does it like studio one. You still using DP as your other main DAW? Does it pretty well beat logic or what?

Wait a tick, is DP audio units only too? B'ah forget it...

glitchrock-buddha wrote: I'm interested to hear that DP does it like studio one. You still using DP as your other main DAW? Does it pretty well beat logic or what?

Wait a tick, is DP audio units only too? B'ah forget it...

DP is Audio Units only, unlike you I'm more inclined towards AU than VST, but to me it's a minor detail.

It beats all DAWs I know of as far as mix down. You can save automation and plug in states in the same open sequence as separate mixes. Little drop down menu in the mixer to choose different mixes.

I'm not sure why other DAWs haven't stole this? Opening another version and looking at a folder full of Live Sets or Studio 1, or Cubase etc. sequences all named
Song mix 10-22
Song mix 10-24
Song mix 10-25
Song mix Final? 10-26
etc. etc.
then opening and hoping you're opening the older version that you wanted to go back to, nope not that one, then opening another...
Or even better saving the "killer" mix and realizing you just hosed it and overwrote the previous work, fun.

Machinesworking wrote:
It beats all DAWs I know of as far as mix down. You can save automation and plug in states in the same open sequence as separate mixes. Little drop down menu in the mixer to choose different mixes.


I'm not sure why other DAWs haven't stole this? Opening another version and looking at a folder full of Live Sets or Studio 1, or Cubase etc. sequences all named
Song mix 10-22
Song mix 10-24
Song mix 10-25
Song mix Final? 10-26
etc. etc.
then opening and hoping you're opening the older version that you wanted to go back to, nope not that one, then opening another...
Or even better saving the "killer" mix and realizing you just hosed it and overwrote the previous work, fun.

That sounds great, just what i need right NOW.

dna598 wrote:

Machinesworking wrote:
It beats all DAWs I know of as far as mix down. You can save automation and plug in states in the same open sequence as separate mixes. Little drop down menu in the mixer to choose different mixes.


I'm not sure why other DAWs haven't stole this? Opening another version and looking at a folder full of Live Sets or Studio 1, or Cubase etc. sequences all named
Song mix 10-22
Song mix 10-24
Song mix 10-25
Song mix Final? 10-26
etc. etc.
then opening and hoping you're opening the older version that you wanted to go back to, nope not that one, then opening another...
Or even better saving the "killer" mix and realizing you just hosed it and overwrote the previous work, fun.

That sounds great, just what i need right NOW.

Kapture!

glitchrock-buddha wrote:You can apply effects to individual regions rather than entire tracks. You can also freeze a track and continue to edit it! It moves the midi and the audio around at the same time. You can render a single region to audio and later restore it to its original with effects. Not bad.

Cubase have been already having them. Are you away from the internet for years?

pencilrocket wrote:

glitchrock-buddha wrote:You can apply effects to individual regions rather than entire tracks. You can also freeze a track and continue to edit it! It moves the midi and the audio around at the same time. You can render a single region to audio and later restore it to its original with effects. Not bad.

Cubase have been already having them. Are you away from the internet for years?

No I have not actually. Strange, I have the Internet set up to let me know when cubase introduces the ability to freeze tracks and edit the audio along with it's underlying midi source data, and revert any time to midi. And yet the Internet didn't tell me! What the hell, my Internet must be broken. I'm going to take it back and get a new one.

Are you sure cubase can edit the audio of a frozen track and revert to midi with those regions moved?

Edit: ok I just went and checked. Pencilrocket you are full of shit. I think your Internet is broken if its telling you that you can edit frozen tracks in cubase.

glitchrock-buddha wrote: Pencilrocket you are full of shit. I think your Internet is broken if its telling you that you can edit frozen tracks in cubase and everyone is Noob.

glitchrock-buddha wrote:You can apply effects to individual regions rather than entire tracks.

You seem you haven't recognize how to do offline process.

You can also freeze a track and continue to edit it! It moves the midi and the audio around at the same time.

Use your finger to click unfreeze button Are you going to say you need so many macro command like Reaper has?

You ended up being up set and scattering dirty word to me noob.

pencilrocket wrote:

glitchrock-buddha wrote:You can apply effects to individual regions rather than entire tracks.

You seem you haven't recognize how to do offline process.

You can also freeze a track and continue to edit it! It moves the midi and the audio around at the same time.

Use your finger to click unfreeze button Are you going to say you need so many macro command like Reaper has?

You ended up being up set and scattering dirty word to me noob.

Your grammar is noob...lol

I've only just managed to get the Studio One Two demo working (after some issues with VSTs), but so far I'm very impressed by how they managed to work a lot of my Live wishlist into their program.

I'm going to give the demo a week or two and see whether I still like it, but so far, it's very impressive.

the only thing that sucks is the name. Studio One Two ?

I don't understand why any of you don't take a look into reaper...really. It has all of this and more and fully customizable too.

In 4.1 now I can freeze a track up until the last selected FX in the Chain so I can save up rexources and still tweak tha last fx or some of the last fx. Depends on from where I froze the track....cool Ha?

And ARA from Celemony is also going to be implemented somewhere next year

I'm off Live now for more than a year (only layouting is done here). And man has my music and sound and the speed improved....but words are not doing it here. You would have to dive in yourself

....just sayin as it's about DAWs here

I did try Reaper a little while back, and I'm not sure why it didn't stick with me.
Somehow I've managed to get into this Studio Twelve more easily, where Reaper made me say "OK, I'll have to set some time to learn this, at some point." and it never happened.

Studio 12 just appeals more, and has seamed easier to use, so far.

@angstrom: fair enough. The easy use of studio one is THE THING what is making it so appealing to all "switchers".
Totally agree, but I think it's worth thinking more long-termed because I know that at some point (at least for me) I would think that I'm missing some "nerdy"features in Studio One as it is more disigned for easy recording and the basic studio-stuff. But you can't modulate any parameter or sidechain them. You have no edit-regions to quickly re-arrange the whole tune....etc. etc. really too much to mention it. And I have to agree the time needed to understand reaper is too much to make it an dangerous competition for the other daws. But believe me, it beats the shit out of all of them .

Just 2 intense weeks of "tweak and learn & customize" in Reaper and you'll be reborn production-wise

Of course everybody knows what he needs. Just wanted to share with my Live-fellows that Reaper is function-wise maybe the most similar to Live of all the daws when it comes to cool sounddesign, modulation and Racking-Stuff-features. But brings with it an immense amount of other workflow-stuff which can adjust to JUST YOUR NEEDS....no need saying what it means when a DAW works the way you want it to work
generelly or philosophical question: why switch to something more expensive and with less features if you can have the best for the lowest price in the DAW-world? Just a little time of yours is required......BUDDHA would say: the easiest way is not always best way

Cheers

well, Xmas is a comin' which is traditionally my time for learning new stuff. So that's probably when I'll give Reaper another try.
Considering it upgrades every 25 seconds I'm sure it's a lot different to last time I tried it.