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dirtystudios
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Post by dirtystudios » Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:21 pm

first of all I didn't say anything about instruments we've been using for hundreds of years
i know stubbs, that comment was directed towards illsub and the last quote of my post. i was just saying that i really like seeing artists on laptops playing live, and that i don't mind throwing a hamillton their way. plus, as a laptop musician, i enjoy seeing how they perform, what new ideas they have and what their take on playing live is. even if they sit around and drink lattes and talk max, going to an artists show is still by far the best way to support them. plus it's loud. actually the coolest thing i'd seen someone do in a show for a while was when bogdan raczynski played here in seattle. albeit he didn't even appear to be doing much with his laptop, at one point he just abandond the stage and started dancing with the crowd for few minutes. i dunno what my point here is.

k

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Post by illsub1 » Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:49 pm

Dirty,

I most certainly do NOT have an old fogey mentality when it comes to performing. Til' now I have been using the Electrix Repeater for live looping with only 4 tracks and I know the benefits of Live and all of this new technology. My problem lies in the very few electronic musicians that know anything about playing(western theory, jazz improv,etc...).

It's about knowing your history-how can you be a turntablist and not have studied the Skratch Piklz, a trumpet player not knowing Miles Davis. Although I love seeing Fatboy Slim, Timo Maas, and other top notch D.J.'s perform, I can't beleive that so many people pay so much money just to see people just push plastic and not play live instruments (take that back, forgot about the e-tards). Go to WMC in March and try to find much live music, you won't! We'll be down there to play & help pioneer so be on the lookout. We're gonna bust this can of worms wide open.

Live is a groundbreaking instrument and I'm not knocking that it takes no skills to use it, but it takes years and years of training your ears and working on music to be on a professional level. If I saw someone flipping just Live to the next level with a MIDI Fader Box, Phatboy, and Keyboard controller(s) and communicating with the crowd, I would be thouroughly impressed. But after seeing other electronic live shows(Crystal Method, UberZone, Ming&FS,etc...) I know that there is a looooooooong way to go!!!

Ill Subliminal
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P.S. We can continue this conversation in South Beach

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Post by wes9 » Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:08 pm

dirtystudios-

Do you have a web site where I can download your tracks? I would love to hear if you are truly pushing the envelope since you have such a high and mighty attitude. I'm guessing if I hear your music I can name 20 other artisits that have done something similar already.

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Justification

Post by neuronaut » Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:10 pm

After one of my shows, I felt like starting a thread here and the topic was going to be 'JUSTIFICATION'. I was going to seek other's ideas of why they think they can put so much effort, money, time, love, thought, etc. into laptronica. My little 'head trip' ended when I realized these answers had better come from within!

Some of my realizations:
- Ask yourself what you would RATHER be doing with your life, if you hear yourself say, "hey! I'm already doing it!", then you are on YOUR path!

- Life and everything is sound! Nada Brahma! "The world is sound!"

- As part of the huge self-organized reality we call life, we are in a constant feedback loop with ourselves! Everything I think and do comes from my experience in the multiverse. PLAYING LIVE MEANS I AM GIVING BACK WHAT I HAVE TAKEN AWAY!!! Every time I perform I realize I have a chance to reflect my SELF back to others. Hopefully filling their hearts, minds, and souls with emotional/spiritual satisfaction.

- This is the next best thing to being a Shaman, which I feel is the path I would have chosen if I was born into an archaic tribe.

OK, with those empowering thoughts, I can construct a gooood show full of energy, wit, compassion and sick ass beats!!!! :)



Real time composing is like nothing else! I never hear it the same way twice. Some moments have been true BLISS! (I remember one jam outside in the sun, the music was sultry and smooth and the sun was bathing me with warmth and I felt that burst of love/bliss/perfection.) I never want to leave this place!

In the IDEAL situation the crowd is your mirror. In reality 10%? are there for the music and the rest are there for the social scene... and may/may not be aware that music is the shizit!

There's nothing quite like approaching your own loops from a new place every time. I really like the idea of projecting the screen... cool for techies... I try to start with a blank sheet... dragging in clips as they occur to me... This can be hard if it's not organized right. As Live's UI improves - especially file management! - this will get better and better.


OK, now on to being a musician....
I started young, playing violin... my first keyboard was a piano at my parents... since then I have
- used sequencing software (cubase on atari STe and MOD files were my experience)
- studied jazz with some AMAZING teachers
- I have been inspired by Pink Floyd's last tour - fuckin blew my mind... they know how to turn 60,000 people on at once in a stadium with crystal clear surround sound, custom video, lighting etc... (I think they spent millions on each stage and they had 3 sets of stage hardware! one being taken down, one to play on and one to setup at the next location!) (Anyone wanna give me a budget?)
- Started a band that has created it's own scene full of BEAUTIFUL people who want to listen
- Written hundreds of songs and practice at least 3 times a week with a 4 piece band
- Discovered LIVE!


Being a jazz musician first gives me a VERY clear understanding of note selection, complexity of tone, improv, and most importantly the courage to break the mold OVER and OVER again!

My personal vision of a live performance with our band includes:
- Live instrumentation whenever possible
- LIVE doing loops with the computer invisible - I trigger loops with a midi device
- Real-time video reacting to the individual instruments mixed together by a VJ (my pick for VJ 'ware is Motion Dive)
- A dub engineer
- A REALLY NICE MIX
- Improv and composed music mixed together

Peace!
-=Grig
The world is sound.

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Post by tjwett » Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:16 pm

what's with all the static? obviously this topic holds some strong opinions from everyone. remember, we are all just strangers writing to other strangers using fake names anyway. it seems kind of silly for people to vibe eachother with text and typing. kind of like nerds battling with their Texas Instruments calculators, which i admit is kind of cool, but still very silly.

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Post by neuronaut » Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:23 pm

tjwett wrote:what's with all the static? obviously this topic holds some strong opinions from everyone. remember, we are all just strangers writing to other strangers using fake names anyway. it seems kind of silly for people to vibe eachother with text and typing. kind of like nerds battling with their Texas Instruments calculators, which i admit is kind of cool, but still very silly.
static? I was hoping for some more juicy discusions on performing live.... what would you like to see? Sure we're "just strangers" but we're human and most likely half-crazed.
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Post by scott » Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:25 pm

grig -

kickass website!

/S

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Post by tjwett » Fri Nov 22, 2002 9:43 pm

grig wrote:static? I was hoping for some more juicy discusions on performing live.... what would you like to see? Sure we're "just strangers" but we're human and most likely half-crazed.
i was really just half-kidding but you've got a point. i guess this thread atleast shows that computer musos are just as passionate about it as "traditional" performers. if anything this discussion shows that we indeed have functioning hearts and souls rather than transistors and microchips inside us, as some would like to believe. i agree that we are all half-crazed, or atleast 33.3% crazed.

stubby

Post by stubby » Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:09 pm

another thing, even though we are strangers we are still no less ourselves
so its not like we need to reduce our personalities just because we are on the net. At a public rally you may not give out your real name to everybody there but if you have something to say you still speak out. and anybody taking dirty in the wron way should read his post again cause he's not trying to be all high and mighty hes just talking about how he values live performances by computer musicians and what he gets from it
this whole discussion has been about that, we have'nt been putting any personal judgements on anybody here, everybody here is pretty cool

what a fuckin program huh?, everybodys feelin good about live.
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Post by dirtystudios » Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:53 pm

If I saw someone flipping just Live to the next level with a MIDI Fader Box, Phatboy, and Keyboard controller(s) and communicating with the crowd, I would be thouroughly impressed. But after seeing other electronic live shows(Crystal Method, UberZone, Ming&FS,etc...) I know that there is a looooooooong way to go!!!
that's what i'm saying, it's a new instrument and to be really good at an instrument, you need years of practice. i guess i just thought you were trying to discredit anything that didn't resemble a typical acoustic instrument. my apologies if i misunderstood.
Do you have a web site where I can download your tracks? I would love to hear if you are truly pushing the envelope since you have such a high and mighty attitude. I'm guessing if I hear your music I can name 20 other artisits that have done something similar already.
if i came off as high and mighty, once again i apologize. that was never my intent. i just get mad a closed-mindedness, especially in the face of such a potential for revolution. i'm sure i'm not doing anything new, but i'm still learning all this. i hope that someday i'll get to a point were i can push the envelope a wee bit. maybe i'll get there, maybe i won't, but i'll be damned if i'm not gonna try.

k

p.s. thanks for gettin' my back stubbs.

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Video

Post by neuronaut » Sat Nov 23, 2002 8:23 pm

We did a gig in October with live, dub and and a vj. If you have flash 5, you can listen & watch a small example section here: http://www.interfaceoblivion.com/video/
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Get a female singer and a cool percussionist to your band

Post by yuval » Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:11 am

Then no-one will notice you're a nurd :wink:

stubby

Post by stubby » Sun Nov 24, 2002 8:08 pm

no prob DS :wink:

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Post by neuronaut » Mon Nov 25, 2002 6:41 pm

I think the spelling is Nerd not Nurd.... :wink:
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Post by yuval » Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:27 am

Us europiens don't spell that well... great website, btw.
:D

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