Ableton Forum

Theo Void wrote:I have Live 9, PUSH and MAschine mk2. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want a Maschine Studio but at $1000, I don't think I'll be adopting early. I am, however, super psyched about the 2.0 update! From what I've read it should satisfy quite a few of my gripes about the soft-ware. Side-chain, un-limited groups FTW!

It's kinda shitty that NI is charging long-time users $100 for the update but you'll have that I guess. I'm not too worried about it. Programmers gotsta get paid too!!!!

I also just got the new Bass Station 2 so my GAS is satisfied for the near future.

But damn, that STudio is hella sexy!!

Funk N. Furter wrote:

panten wrote:One thing that I've noticed is that selecting and editing MIDI notes using a controller is far less fun and more time consuming than it is with a mouse.

Still, having the option while zoning out would be nice.

I'd just like to point out that Live users don't have to use a mouse/trackpad to select and edit MIDI notes on a computer. I usually use an ordinary computer keyboard. You just use arrow keys and a bit of mouse keys. There are various advantages, apart from the obvious ones (some people can't use a mouse due to RSI etc). For example when Live 9 came out, some people said it was difficult to place a note on the grid. I never had much of a problem with that, even if I used the trackpad. But it's impossible to do it wrong if you are using arrow keys to move the notes. Selecting breakpoints is another example. There are quite a few. Anyway, I don't wanna distract the thread, just sayin'. I think what's nice about Maschine actually is not having to look at the computer as much as getting away from the pointing device.

Buleriachk wrote:Live + a Launchpad S and Launchpad 95 gets you an 8/8 matrix, and Maschine 1.8 integrates really nicely with LIve as a control surface for almost anything else. And who knows what Maschine 2.0 will bring in that respect? (The guys at NI are not exactly unaware that Live and Maschine are often used together...)

(I have a Maschine MkII, and that's all I need, since I have a gorgeous computer screen (In fact, two of them; I can run Live on one and Machine VST on the other....

Having both is kind of like having two guitars....

TomViolenz wrote: Oh, I totally get that

But just for ONE example why I think Push is not obsolete: The 64 pads!
It gives you a 32 step sequencer (16 Maschine) PLUS the 16 button grid selection to choose which section of your clip is selected in the step sequencer PLUS immediate access on 16 more buttons to the sounds on that track! The step sequencing fluidity possible on Push is unparalleled in Maschine! AND you can play the 16 pads and step-sequence at the same time!
Playing with Push in the store (no I don't have it yet) gave me serious GAS and got me to start saving up. I see nothing in the new hardware of Maschine that could trigger the same effect in me. (certainly not for 1 000 €!)
Same for the software compared to Live: It's great and longed for by me (I will definitely by it!), but it's no rival to Live!

Buleriachk wrote:Live + a Launchpad S and Launchpad 95 gets you an 8/8 matrix, and Maschine 1.8 integrates really nicely with LIve as a control surface for almost anything else. And who knows what Maschine 2.0 will bring in that respect? (The guys at NI are not exactly unaware that Live and Maschine are often used together...)

(I have a Maschine MkII, and that's all I need, since I have a gorgeous computer screen (In fact, two of them; I can run Live on one and Machine VST on the other....

Having both is kind of like having two guitars....