Music tuned to 432Hz wtf!?

[Nokatus]

And actually I'm not at all convinced there's any reason to assume that there couldn't be some kind of physical effects on us.

Of course there isn't any reason to assume that. There is active and actual research being done on how acoustic phenomena can be used in various ways, also in medical science (see the above link for one awesome recent application). This is far removed from the "440 Hz conspiracy" kooks, numerology and the like

[Forge.]

And actually I'm not at all convinced there's any reason to assume that there couldn't be some kind of physical effects on us.

Of course there isn't any reason to assume that. There is active and actual research being done on how acoustic phenomena can be used in various ways, also in medical science (see the above link for one awesome recent application). This is far removed from the "440 Hz conspiracy" kooks, numerology and the like

yes, acoustic levitation is a good example in that it clearly shows sound waves can have a direct effect on matter.

The article that video links to was interesting - it says that two opposing speakers are playing 22kHz at each other creating a standing wave.

http://www.anl.gov/articles/no-magic-sh ... aceuticals

I guess what I was getting at was when you change the reference frequency, then you are changing every single harmonic as well, and so if it's determined that standing waves at certain frequencies can have a certain effect, then if they are just normal harmonics within the conventional scale that is being used (i.e. obviously this is totally specific to western music anyway) then maybe there is an argument for changing the reference frequencies.

But it would have to be changed according to circumstances and might be more appropriate for something like an installation rather than a gig.

But who knows. I think it could be worth some proper research, for sure. The reason people start coming up with the kooky theories I think is because they have an intuition that there is something to it, and start filling in the blanks because they don't know enough about it.

[Forge.]

for example

I don't know why he chose 22k, but assuming there is some specific reason, if you drop that down an octave it's 11k, then again 5500Hz... and so on .. you get down to 343.75, to get it close to 440, drop it down another 2 octaves to 85.9375, then multiply that by 5 (so it still has a harmonic relationsip - i.e. up 3 octaves + a third) and you get 429.6875.... so if you set that as your reference frequency then play something in A, then 22k is an A, and there will be some harmonics at that frequency naturally whether we hear them or not

[Forge.]

I suspect there isn't anything particularly special about 22k as such, it's probably more about creating the standing wave, and maybe he is just picking something above hearing level so it's not irritating to work with

but I think you could probably work out certain key frequencies for certain things and work with it.

But maybe there is a big clue in cymatics in that you can actually directly see it when matter is affected.

Pythagoras was into all this a couple of thousand years ago.

[Nokatus]

The frequency is chosen based on the other physical variables of the used space and objects, yep. An added benefit of being outside our hearing range is not needing earplugs when operating the damn thing.

Here's another cool one, illustrating the standing wave: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU

The reason people start coming up with the kooky theories I think is because they have an intuition that there is something to it, and start filling in the blanks because they don't know enough about it.

Intuition has proved extremely valuable in understanding the world and developing new technologies and the like, and it shouldn't be underestimated. However, there are always people who have the feeling of "there being something to it", no matter whether it's about something tangible or horoscopes or the Denver airport being a part of an evil conspiracy against humanity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjjIy1DO0gs

Even in those silly cases "filling in the blanks" it is indeed, and often it's about filling in the blanks of one's own world view, having a sense of belonging to something bigger than yourself, not about filling in the blanks of some existing genuine research. What ever floats your boat, as the saying goes.

[re:dream]

And then there's stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=669AcEBpdsY

and here is a comment on that clip

As crazy as it sounds some ancient cultures describe this in their literature and oral tradition as a very similar principle that aided in the assembly of monolithic structures. This differs vastly from the mainstream archaeological consensus of assembly by logs, pulleys, and massive manpower.

[yur2die4]

So the ancients had really big speakers, and the ability to channel consistent frequencies across large distances for long durations of time.




Sweet!!
Gotta love YouTube commenters haha

[dubxile]

[quote="yur2die4"]So the ancients had really big speakers, and the ability to channel consistent frequencies across large distances for long durations of time.

no speakers but they did have bells and gongs, and architecture to reverberate / resonate sounds

[re:dream]

they did have bells and gongs, and architecture to reverberate / resonate sounds

Now that is actually true.

They did have some bells and gongs.

And sound did resonate in their architecture too. That's a safe assumption.

[derzai]

there is a beauty in the number 432 though. (3^3)*(2^4).

[yur2die4]

there is a beauty in the number 432 though. (3^3)*(2^4).

There may be interesting things to say about the number itself, but once you apply it to Hz, it's being compared to seconds in the time domain. A second is a concept we made up. Had a second been any other thing, then 432 as a 'frequency' within that other time measure could have been any random other number.

[derzai]

there is a beauty in the number 432 though. (3^3)*(2^4).

There may be interesting things to say about the number itself, but once you apply it to Hz, it's being compared to seconds in the time domain. A second is a concept we made up. Had a second been any other thing, then 432 as a 'frequency' within that other time measure could have been any random other number.

and speed of sound isn't a constant either. so it is only a matter of convention, i think.

[re:dream]

When everything starts making too much sense - time to change your meds.

[madlab]

there is a beauty in the number 432 though. (3^3)*(2^4).

43210 would be even more magic if that's possible !

[derzai]

When everything starts making too much sense - time to change your meds.

illogical pattern seeking. domain of the arts i guess. don't trust psychiatrists that much. wouldn't be suprised if they had put da vinci on ritalin. different discussion.

logical pattern seeking. that is what science is about.


Researchers at the Institute for Logic, Language and Computation (ILLC) of the University of Amsterdam have discovered a universal property of scales. Until now it was assumed that the only thing scales throughout the world have in common is the octave. The many hundreds of scales, however, seem to possess a deeper commonalitiy: if their tones are compared in a two- or three-dimensional way by means of a coordinate system, they form convex or star-convex structures. Convex structures are patterns without indentations or holes, such as a circle, square or oval. The research results will be published this month in the scientific Journal of New Music Research.

http://www.uva.nl/en/news-events/news/u ... music.html