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One Reason wrote:

Machinesworking wrote:

One Reason wrote:I'm afraid that's STS.

Silly testing System

You don't have a clue about what you're talking about.
Not harsh, just a basic fact. This is as close as you can get to a level playing field.

Bitwig has been spiking my CPU all day, I know that for sure..so.. as far as knowing what I'm talking about.. that.. I do know.

By the way...Empty project, open for two mins... Live 9 - 188K Mem. Butwang - 741K Mem.

Here's the problem in general with people and tests, something is amiss with your demo of Bitiwig, so therefore it's shit in your opinion.
You haven't the time or patience I'm guessing to figure out what's wrong, but you have the time and patience to comment that me using a working copy of Bitwig VS Live and DP is "silly"… New software when released gets exposed to all kinds of configurations and it can take a while to have it all work out on everyone's system.

I can tell you that Bitwig registers 2.5% CPU on my system with nothing loaded, and Live 8 registers 13% in Acivity Monitor and 2% in it's own CPU monitor. So there's something wrong with your configuration and Bitwig? What are you running Windows/OSX? What computer? RAM? etc.

eyeknow wrote:

H20nly wrote:for 399 i can buy a lot of knickers and bunch them up. then, i can surround myself in piles of them while i read all the complaints about this V1 software.

on a happier, much more productive musical side note; i got a fretless bass on Tuesday. it worked right out the box!.. and it came with all the features i want.

Which one did you get??????

it's a Yamaha. i got it used from this cool nihilist who shall remain nameless.
here's a pic i found online of the same model/color:













in regard to the CPU tests... i will be interested to see the results when all three DAWs are 64 bit. if the copy of Live 8 you're using is 32 bit, it stands to reason that it would be more taxing on the CPU than DP or Bitwig.

H20nly wrote: in regard to the CPU tests... i will be interested to see the results when all three DAWs are 64 bit. if the copy of Live 8 you're using is 32 bit, it stands to reason that it would be more taxing on the CPU than DP or Bitwig.

I've been meaning to install the 64 bit version of Live 8 Suite on the Macbook Pro, so I may just do the test again with it there.
Plus the four cores give Live a fighting chance as it's real obvious that Live doesn't use more that four, if that.

Live isn't going to perform that much better in 64 bit though, Ableton clearly stated that 64 bit doesn't add CPU. Though I recall seeing a slight bump in other DAWs so…

panten wrote:Metronome in Bigwig is better. Play Ticks.

1.234 2.234 3.234 4.234

Awesome.

+100
Love that 'Play ticks' feature!

Nice bass! I recently inherited a Gibson Ripper.

very nice! i like it!

my thing was that i wanted a fretless. i've grown tired of fret rattle so eliminating it at the source appealed to me. i had never really played a fretless though... it's crazy how much different it is.

Machinesworking wrote:

H20nly wrote: in regard to the CPU tests... i will be interested to see the results when all three DAWs are 64 bit. if the copy of Live 8 you're using is 32 bit, it stands to reason that it would be more taxing on the CPU than DP or Bitwig.

I've been meaning to install the 64 bit version of Live 8 Suite on the Macbook Pro, so I may just do the test again with it there.
Plus the four cores give Live a fighting chance as it's real obvious that Live doesn't use more that four, if that.

Live isn't going to perform that much better in 64 bit though, Ableton clearly stated that 64 bit doesn't add CPU. Though I recall seeing a slight bump in other DAWs so…

yeah. i don't know that it will shock us in terms of blowing away the competition but CPU clock is measured in cycles. so the ability to handle bigger chunks of data = less cycles = less load (as measured by the meters)

Cool bass!

That Ripper looks lovely.

H20nly wrote:very nice! i like it!

my thing was that i wanted a fretless. i've grown tired of fret rattle so eliminating it at the source appealed to me. i had never really played a fretless though... it's crazy how much different it is.

Some of it is the strings. You typically use flatwound strings on a fretless. Thing is the Ripper came with my stepfathers 15 year old flat wounds on it, and I replaced them with round wound at the suggestion of as bass player friend of mine, mistake, big time. A good portion of the unique tone I heard with the Ripper was in the strings.

@shadx312 that's just a .jpg from the interwebs, I'll update my studio shots soon. The aging finish on the Ripper here is waaay sweeter looking than that pic.

well if it looks anything like the one in the pic you posted... it's a good looking guitar, no doubt.

and yeah the strings are a bigger deal than usual with no frets to protect the fretboard. the strings mine came to me with are flatwound and in okay shape, but i have to admit i'm looking forward to changing them and getting it intonated.

i actually owe eyeknow a bit of a thank you for my new bass. he and I were going back and forth about them in another thread and as a result of that banter i got an offer i couldn't refuse from another very kind poster.

and people wonder why we come back here... pfft!

Update, for all of you loyal to Live really good news!

Live 9 on the same Mac Pro can run 54 instances of Massive without crackling.

Bitwig got served, and Ableton are lying liars, 64 bit does matter. (plus the optimizations in 9 must be there too!)

Yeah. I kind of figured the latest Live, despite people assuming it is more CPU intensive, would be optimized for the latest. Or something like that.

Machinesworking wrote:Update, for all of you loyal to Live really good news!

Live 9 on the same Mac Pro can run 54 instances of Massive without crackling.

Bitwig got served, and Ableton are lying liars, 64 bit does matter. (plus the optimizations in 9 must be there too!)

BitWig's sandboxing of VSTs comes with a performance hit, as it incurs an inter-process communication overhead to shunt data between processes.

fishmonkey wrote:

Machinesworking wrote:Update, for all of you loyal to Live really good news!

Live 9 on the same Mac Pro can run 54 instances of Massive without crackling.

Bitwig got served, and Ableton are lying liars, 64 bit does matter. (plus the optimizations in 9 must be there too!)

BitWig's sandboxing of VSTs comes with a performance hit, as it incurs an inter-process communication overhead to shunt data between processes.

He did the test without the sandboxing enabled

ok, then the performance will likely be even worse with sandboxing turned on...