Live 5: MP3 - NO NO!

tekkers · Post by **tekkers** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:26 pm

telekom wrote:http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php

WOW that is VERY cool ! But I'd have to sell my car to get one of these...

yah man ya right - too expensive - but i guess in time the tech price will go down just like with everythin else...

it does seem to me now with the software and new hardware like the lemur that a real 'hardware' sequencing instrument isnt soon to be far away...

no more live onstage mousing!

and hopefully the chicks will dig this

SimonPHC · Post by **SimonPHC** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:30 pm

telekom wrote:Otherwise we would still be listening to Genesis and Phil Collins would be your hero.

Phil Collins is my hero! Try and warp one of his tunes, always clock tight drumming!! No fixed markers needed ...

telekom · Post by **telekom** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:43 pm

Phil Collins is a robot from hell ! Sorry Simon, seriously though, I couldn't play drums if Peter Gabriel had a gun at my head. So I have to give that to the wee guy. Maybe some people would like to use warp markers on Phil's drums - a kind of off-tempo Genesis glitchfest...

telekom · Post by **telekom** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:47 pm

tekkers wrote:what i really think is - with all this new stuff, how ya could be djing somewhere with live playing rather normal mp3s and then for some reason go totally off the rails and create a mosterous and terrifing beast to frighten grannies and ya pet goldfish..and record it too!!!!

Go tekkers go!
Remix the wedding band! Pingpong delays on the words "I do" echoing around the church like a horror movie! "Did you ask for Madonna? Sorry, I thought you said Diamanda Galas..."

A night to remember... hee hee

smart1123 · Post by **smart1123** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:53 pm

MrSleep wrote:in protools you need to "stop" the song before inserting a plugin.

not any more

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:00 pm

of course we don't have to use Operator but we have to look at the reasons Ableton did it.

1) This was a huge feature request. And as we know, looking at versions 4 and 5 Ableton listens to feature requests very well. They know their bread and butter is its users and when folks are buying Live without the features they want they realize the best way to keep them here is to eventually give them what they want.

2) Financially, this will invite more folks to use Live perhaps more than any other new feature since Live was originally released to the public. All the FinalScratch/Serato/Traktor etc's that use Live while making their music now have no excuse whatsoever to not use it on stage. Of course the auto-beat matching accuracy will be the true determining factor, MP3 support opens the flood gates for new users with Ableton.

MP3 to Ableton will be like the iPod to Apple.

and as far as MP3 support making Ableton Live a less-pro product.
Logic Pro can import MP3's and AAC's. and i cannot find a single Logic user he thinks Logic is less of a tool because of it.

supster · Post by **supster** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:06 pm

telekom wrote:I agree with the inclusion of MP3 wholeheartedly. What is there to lose? No doubt some forum users will have a whole new pile of stuff to argue about and feel superior about. Wav/Aiff vs MP3 may just knock the Mac vs PC argument off the top of these pages...

In the end it's about the music. If it sounds good who gives a monkeys about it's origin? Do we go to rock gigs and say "What a passionate performance. However I wish the guitarist had been using an original '56 Strat rather than that cheap copy - would've sounded better..." If you're dancing, or laughing, or crying, or just feeling so alive you could burst, does it actually matter whether you're listening to an MP3 or a wax cylinder? If the performance or the music itself gets to you, that's all you need to feel or know. The fact that some are complaining here about MP3 inclusion shows that for many people the music comes in second place to the technology.

And someone else observed that now Live supports MP3 "that everyone will be turning to DJ'ing." So what - are you afraid of some young kid coming along and getting the crowd moving more than you did? NEWSFLASH - if it hasn't already happened, it's just about to, whether Live supports MP3 or not. The reason you're worried is that you're not concentrating on what you're doing but what is happening over your shoulder.

"I can hear the footsteps of younger, better looking people, every night on the decks..." (or something close to that) LCD Soundsystem got it right here - every generation will be superseded by the next - and thank god for that. Otherwise we would still be listening to Genesis and Phil Collins would be your hero.

I'm delighted with all the new features promised in V5 - If you're trying to blame Ableton for making an accessible, exciting music production tool that many people can use then you don't love music as much as you thought.

Now go and make some fucking music and stop moaning.

And that means me too.

Bye!

werd to all that
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montrealbreaks · Post by **montrealbreaks** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:39 pm

AdamJay wrote:...
2) Financially, this will invite more folks to use Live perhaps more than any other new feature since Live was originally released to the public. All the FinalScratch/Serato/Traktor etc's that use Live while making their music now have no excuse whatsoever to not use it on stage. Of course the auto-beat matching accuracy will be the true determining factor, MP3 support opens the flood gates for new users with Ableton.

MP3 to Ableton will be like the iPod to Apple.

That's it. They're trying to INCREASE their market share, not just please old jaded users like me who bought version 1.

That said, I think the inclusion of mp3 support stinks. The more people "DJing" with live, the less I have to gloat and condescend about to vinyl DJs. The vinyl snobs, who begrudgingly respect what an improvised music creator can do with Live, will have reams of "snob-ammo" to rain down on Live users once 9 year old billy pulls his finger out of his nose and starts DJing his bootlegged mp3 collection with the software that I use.

Am I a snob myself? You bet your frickin arse I am. Do a search on this forum on my rants on DJs in general, and you'll see. I just dread the lowest common denominator using the software I use, because of the inevitable association.

BUT:

Ableton would have been stupid to not include mp3 support. I don't know if Ableton is a publically traded company, but if I were a shareholder, I would DEMAND that the next version include mp3 support. It's all about their corporate survival. which I support. Because as long as Ableton survives, they will keep bringing cool stuff to my computer.

NOW: Those shareholders are going to start screaming "Get this prog working properly on a Mac!"

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:56 pm

Wow. Once I sell my powermac and purchase an AMD laptop I will probably get like a thousand tracks of mp3's and sound really cool. (please insert unnecessarilly fececious tags).

No really man. If you are recording an acoustic set, I can understand the need for wav, in fact I totally agree it makes adifference- I rely on the depth, especialy since I spen so much time chiselling in preproduction (when there is time), but when you have a whole lot stuff going on, who is gonna notice the overall change in bit depth, unless one's music is either thin, or entirely dependent on the work of others? No I'm not knocking the dj/mash producer style, I partly fall into that category. What I am saying is that light tracks should suffice in the overall mix, and perhaps work even better. Especially now that we will have our newfangled saturator/warmy-thing.

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:59 am

Well I think it's cool. A 320khz MP3 seems like a good idea. I've got 7 gigs of tracks recorded and I can't wait to get that space back!

jasefos · Post by **jasefos** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:09 am

I can't see what the problem is.

This is a good feature and definitely in response to the user base. The exclusion of mp3 as a supported format has meant that people wishing to use Live for DJ'ing have had to carry around 1 or more large extenal (Firewire/USB) hard drives with their setup.

A high resolution mp3 sounds extremely good IMHO (320kps sounds damn fine to my ears).

To those people complaining about this DJ-centric function being added - relax !!!! The only thing you'll notice different about Live that now the Browser will show MP3's in addition to WAV, MIDI, AIFF, etc (and many other improvements to Browsing which are very welcome) ....

How is this going to be a problem for a non-DJ user? It appears some see this new feature to be a sign that Live will eventually grow into a "DJ'ing application" however this is obviously not the case.

Live is what you make of it ...

Some consider Live as an opportunity to advance the craft of DJ'ing while others like myself (purely a producer) see Live as the missing link for performing (and now creating) studio produced compositions in a Live performance scenario with exceptional improvisation possibilities.

Cheerio