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anonymouse wrote: That is not the goal of Al Quaeda, they are not on a crusade to defeat Christianity. They want the armies of Bush & Blair removed from their lands.

The one thing I'm certain of is that we are never going to find out who is really behind these atrocities or what the true 'purpose' is. I'm willing to bet a month's salary that this whole situation has far more to do with a power struggle over oil than than it has to do with religion or a quest for so-called freedom.

The 'friendship' between the US and the Saudi's has always troubled me, it should trouble everyone.

I hope all the members of this forum from London are OK

thoughtpyramid wrote:I agree with Pharoah. He is not an idiot. Emotions have a way of shadowing the truth. Support for the Iraq war has plummeted both in the U.S. and Britian. Yet Blair continues his unwavering support for it. Perhaps ol' Tony called in a favor with the IRA?

You are surely as stupid as Bush if you think militant Irish Republicans had anything to do with this. Do you know the first thing about the troubles?
Try to feel some compassion for the families of the forty or so murdered individuals who have lost a loved one, whose only offence was to be travelling on public transport in a relatively free and genuinely multicultural society.

Don't get me started on the Iraq war, however.

I wonder if anyone's made the date connection, 7 bombs on the 7th of the 7th. I always wondered about 9,11, what with the WTC actually forming an 11. Fanatics and numerology (not the app ) they're all significant numbers if you're into that sort of thing, and they probably are.

that has got to be the most weird signage I've ever seen.

London (population : 7,465,100) - closed!

I could understand it if it said Milton Keynes.

Martyn wrote:I wonder if anyone's made the date connection, 7 bombs on the 7th of the 7th. I always wondered about 9,11, what with the WTC actually forming an 11. Fanatics and numerology (not the app ) they're all significant numbers if you're into that sort of thing, and they probably are.

From what I understand, 11 represents the "makers". Meaning start of the new.9-11 was the start of a new order (NWO) as far as disclosure to the public.
I wish i had saved an e mail sent to me from an acquaintance because it stated how certain corporations are involved with this terrorist order and one of them is Citibank. If you look at the logo of Citibank (I'm sure most of you are familiar with it) you can see something interesting:


Notice the two "i"s (11) in citi are connected by a red curved line?
777 is a numerological number representing the dimension beyond the apparent reality we live in (3D) which is represented by 666. I know this one cause i liked that Danzig song called 777 and wondered what it meant. I did some research and studying.
Interesting stuff.

People also interpret "messages" in the way that tea leaves fall in a cup and leave a pattern. But my guess is that these people have smoked the tea rather than drank it.

apparently there was meant to be a generation of articulate, energetic and honest young politicians that were going to devote their most passionate years to transforming the corrupt compromised power systems in their countries into more humane, just and progressive places to deliver a better society.

however, they all got addicted to wasting their intellect and energy on foolish dreams of electronica. wasting their wealth and braincells on the cynical software fodder for the masses. by the time they realised that they had wasted their youth on such castles made of sand, it was too late. the greediest and most ruthless of their peers had already installed themselves in the corridors of power while they were more worried about phat basslines and scratchy loops.

ultimately nothing ever changes. the rich get richer, the dreamers rot in their own selfindulgent fantasies of artistic ego recognition.

I'm glad I'm a Tory MP who uses Live. Best of both worlds.

anonymouse wrote:apparently there was meant to be a generation of articulate, energetic and honest young politicians that were going to devote their most passionate years to transforming the corrupt compromised power systems in their countries into more humane, just and progressive places to deliver a better society.

however, they all got addicted to wasting their intellect and energy on foolish dreams of electronica. wasting their wealth and braincells on the cynical software fodder for the masses. by the time they realised that they had wasted their youth on such castles made of sand, it was too late. the greediest and most ruthless of their peers had already installed themselves in the corridors of power while they were more worried about phat basslines and scratchy loops.

ultimately nothing ever changes. the rich get richer, the dreamers rot in their own selfindulgent fantasies of artistic ego recognition.

I'm glad I'm a Tory MP who uses Live. Best of both worlds.

Fuck's sake!

Whadya go and say a thing like that for?

Aaaaaaaaaagh the truth hurts sooooo much sometimes.

I hope you were joking about the tory bit!

joking about the tory bit

But it is true, so many are copping out of reality by dreaming their lives away in midi land while the real world turns to shit.

Wallowing in music may be comforting escapism if you are confused about what your life is about, but sticking your head in the ground like an ostrich is the ultimate waste. You should donate your organs to people who want to do something with their lives rather than wear down your finger tips twiddling a filter and looping a sample.

There is a tiny minority who are determined to kill indescrimintately just in order to get attention in their sad little lives. This happens because the lazy majority let it happen.

Even after today's terrible events, most people in London will want to know WHO did it. Understanding the WHY is still too much of an uncomfortable question that demands too much complexity to answer.

This is just the early days of the disintegration of society. Get out there and intelligently help build a better one. Otherwise, as unbelieveable as today's events and those of madrid, bali and 911 were, the near future will become pregressively unsafe, unpredctable and disturbingly surreal. Only a small portion of society needs to choose violent insanity as a mission before we are all fucked.

Go join a political party not another VST forum.

horselesspaul wrote:

thoughtpyramid wrote:I agree with Pharoah. He is not an idiot. Emotions have a way of shadowing the truth. Support for the Iraq war has plummeted both in the U.S. and Britian. Yet Blair continues his unwavering support for it. Perhaps ol' Tony called in a favor with the IRA?

You are surely as stupid as Bush if you think militant Irish Republicans had anything to do with this. Do you know the first thing about the troubles?
Try to feel some compassion for the families of the forty or so murdered individuals who have lost a loved one, whose only offence was to be travelling on public transport in a relatively free and genuinely multicultural society.

Don't get me started on the Iraq war, however.

Don't get me started on that multicultural tolerance shit. That's half the problem right there.

So it's okay to bash Bush but let Blair slide? They're both peas in the same pod. They're both leaders of governments that grow larger and larger by confiscating the wealth of its citizens while removing the last vestiges of freedom all in the name of fighting "terrorism."

Look, it's sad that 40 people died and scores were injured. You have to feel for them. That's human. But, life goes on. More importantly, your life goes on, as does my life and everyone else. So live it and appreciate it.

I hope the people of the UK recover quickly and become stronger after this attack.


Fuck you terrorists. The Freedom loving people of the world will not stand down to your atrocities aganist our people and your own people.

It is amazing to me that there are people out there that say (or imply) that the U.S.A., the U.K., or Bush and Blair are at fault for these attacks.

It is just crazy!

People lets put the conspiracy theories aside. There were a million or so written on 911 by all the Micheal Moores of this world. Lets deal with the facts as they come out. Whoever did this wanted to make a political statement by a act of terrorism. We need to find this unjustifiable reason for taking innocent life then act on it. ASAP. This was totally uncalled for with the G8 summit bringing our world leaders together to do something good for the people of Africa. Who knows how the G8 summit turnout with this horribly tragic event. Those who acted this way really have life-less souls an should be met with a eye for eye, tooth for a tooth before and after death.

Angstrom wrote:Unfortunately humankind is always going to perpetrate this kind of crap on one another, we aren't the most stable race in the galaxy.

Thats bulshit mate. The galaxy is a pretty big place... At least we don't bite each others heads off and dissolve them with acidic saliva.