The Kid Beyond Movie is freakin amazing!

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:20 pm

Jesse wrote:Kid Beyond uses keystrokes to change quantization settings depending on the situation. And yes, the sound for the shows was done with a camcorder mic, the quality of which we had no control over, as the footage was (nicely) provided by his manager. Trying to bring in pro recording setups to shows is not an easy task...

I first saw him opening for RZA and Planet Asia in Golden Gate park, and he blew the audience away...had to get him on film.

Lots to learn for beatboxers, guitarist, etc.,
Jesse

Not many people seem to record Live's master out into a seperate session track in order to capture their performances in stereo--seems a lot of people are afraid of the processor hit of recording these long audio files. Well, I record every song of every show this way, and it works great--I get a quality recording of everything coming out of Live BEFORE it hits the mains and goes out into the room. I have synced this sound to video after the fact in Vegas, and it worked great, sounded great--you can mix the camera mic(s) back in under the master out render, or maybe just bring it up at when the crowd makes noise.

Ryan

mood · Post by **mood** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:37 pm

Man that was a quality vid! I think its amazin people who can do stuff like that especially on the fly and so quickly its like hes the sampler and the mics the matrix in the sequencer.

And those hand signals man he could cause some serious air traffic control problems doin that outside!

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:13 pm

mood wrote:And those hand signals man he could cause some serious air traffic control problems doin that outside!

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:50 pm

quandry wrote: Not many people seem to record Live's master out into a seperate session track in order to capture their performances in stereo--seems a lot of people are afraid of the processor hit of recording these long audio files. Well, I record every song of every show this way, and it works great--I get a quality recording of everything coming out of Live BEFORE it hits the mains and goes out into the room. I have synced this sound to video after the fact in Vegas, and it worked great, sounded great--you can mix the camera mic(s) back in under the master out render, or maybe just bring it up at when the crowd makes noise.

Ryan

that's a good idea! I've been making it over complicated by using another recording app to capture my performances--which works fine, but your way sounds better and less convoluted to me.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:36 pm

word, Rahlo. It works great, and its all in Live. I have just gotten into the habit of starting every song by pressing record on my "Master in" session track. By getting in that habit, I make sure every song gets recorded from start to finish. Some of our tracks run into the next Live, so I'll often have "master in" clips over an hour long--this poses no problems for Live, and if you unwarp the clip after the show you can cut it up into seperate tracks at proper tempos. The only reason it might not work for some is if you use the spacebar to stop and start songs for musical effect--then you are stopping your "master in" clip--not good. For scene users, if you have a session track with the master out as your audio in, turn monitoring off, and leave it always armed to record, each time you start a new scene it should start recording a master in clip. Of course, the best performances we've done live are the few tunes I forget to record in this manner. murphy's law I guess. take it easy,

Ryan

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:50 pm

quandry wrote:word, Rahlo. It works great, and its all in Live. I have just gotten into the habit of starting every song by pressing record on my "Master in" session track. [...] The only reason it might not work for some is if you use the spacebar to stop and start songs for musical effect--then you are stopping your "master in" clip--not good.
Ryan

TapeIt vst plug on the master - gets everything, and doesn't care whether you stop playback or not

I use it all the time - since I hardly ever touch arrangement view...

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:14 pm

am i the only one who thinks that Jamie lidell video sucked ass. that was one of the worst things i've ever seen anyone do with that paticular artform.
but that kid beyond is one incredible artist. I think jamie lidell should watch his clip.

davy · Post by **davy** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:49 pm

starving student wrote:am i the only one who thinks that Jamie lidell video sucked ass. that was one of the worst things i've ever seen anyone do with that paticular artform.
but that kid beyond is one incredible artist. I think jamie lidell should watch his clip.

not one of the worst things ver seen. but i definitely didn't like it. actually fast forwarded it. pretty boring stuff.

i've seen a lot of jazz musicians doing more interesting stuff with looping devices. top performance was Michel Hatzigeorgiou, bass player of Aka Moon. Damn, that was hot.

the kid's video was very nice! but i'm afraid it's a bit boring to see a whole show off. well, can't say that because i never did see a show from the guy

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:03 pm

yeah I don't mean to be so harsh, you know how things can come across a bit harder on an internet forum, I was just a little shocked. I love the artform of beatboxing as a whole but that performance was just ugly. and I don't know if he thought the other stuff he was doing was gospel or what but
all of those people applauding could probably get a way better show for free
at any church around their way on sunday morning. I hope that was a free show he was doing.

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:17 pm

starving student wrote:am i the only one who thinks that Jamie lidell video sucked ass.

no you're not

kennerb · Post by **kennerb** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:41 pm

Jamie is so inspiring to me. He seems like a down home kinda guy too. But his voice. Man. He's got like a Stevie wonder meets prince meets otis redding quality to it. Much soul to his stuff. I couldn't believe he was a skinny white Londoner when I finally saw him. He seems like a nutter on stage too. I hope he makes it to the states on this tour.

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:49 pm

yeah maybe the video doesn't do him justice, and it's best not to see him and just hear him.
I admit there's much worse though (according to my tastes of course)

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:11 pm

having just watched the two videos (kid beyond and jamie), I got to say that kid beyond TOTALLY smokes Jamie in terms of his beatboxing/vocal abilities, as well as his compositions and musical style. no contest. not that it is or should be, but since both of these vids are mentioned in this thread, and the styles are similar, its hard not to compare. Jamie's act visually is nauseating and self-indulgent, and the hat is just ghey. I watched the Kid movie first, and thought the hand movements were a bit much, but they are tame compared to jamie's activities.

Even so, my main point of this post is while I'm very impressed at kid's style and flow, I feel he must really be selling himself short by not using his hands to control Live. I do live looping with Live too, using instruments, and can't imagine not using the crossfader every song to bring tracks (and groups of tracks) in and out to give the tunes more variation. I also can't imagine not using all three of my midi controllers to have control of track volumes, pans, send knobs, on and off switches and knobs controlling dozens of effects, the crossfader on the DM2, etc. I realize his use of Bomes might get him some mileage, but from watching the video, it doesn't seem like THAT much is happening with any foot pedal press, and clearly with only 12-16 pedals, he is limited in how many commands or strings of commands he has at his feet. I just think that his compositions and performances (all I've seen/heard is this video) could have so much more to them if he used his hands to control the app, with both midi controllers and god forbid the mouse.

I could be wrong, but as a fellow live looper with Live, I just can't imagine not constantly using both hands at all times to give the tunes variation. Its relatively easy to get a bunch of live loops going and stacked on top of each other--takes like one minute, just like in the video. But to have interesting and not repetitive performances is obviously the biggest challenge with looping, and to take your hands out of the equation is crazy. The challenge for me is to take these repeating loops and continually vary the mix, by bringing things in and out, using effects on tracks, sends, and even the master out, hell just using sliders and pans to get relative volumes of the loops in check. Would love to see and hear more of the Kid, but I hope he takes his "hands off" approach and grows into using his hands to create the variation that helps breathe more life into loop-based performances. Dude has serious skills, but if the tunes are always him building up loop on top of loop and not breaking it back down, or taking loops and scrubbing them or effecting them to give them different sounds, it seems like he must just be building heavy sonic walls of loops that can sometimes be too much at once--with so many loops going you start to lose the subtleties and interactions.

Ryan

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:24 pm

While finding Kid Beyond quite talented and creative, I was soon bored with it.

The crappy lo-fi sound didn't help, but I'd find it difficult to watch more than 10 minutes of that.

Kind of a aural circus act, and not doing much more with Live than you could do with any looping device.

But then I'm old.

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:05 am

kennerb wrote:Jamie is so inspiring to me. He seems like a down home kinda guy too. But his voice. Man. He's got like a Stevie wonder meets prince meets otis redding quality to it. Much soul to his stuff. I couldn't believe he was a skinny white Londoner when I finally saw him. He seems like a nutter on stage too. I hope he makes it to the states on this tour.

no offense man but soul??, I dunno he looked and sounded like a clown doing a bad caricature of some church scene off of the jeffersons to me. I think if you're impressed by soulful whiteboys then you could do a whole lot better, the doobies got soul, simply red has soul, hell justin timberlake has way more soul than jamie lidell, i'm serious he acts like somebody told him he'd have soul if he acted that way.