Intel is shutting down NUC

[dcjams]

Intel is ending their NUC line, and they will continue supporting other manufacturers that chose to develop NUC.

I don't get how this can affect Push, other manufacturers can do the custom parts where the CPU, SSD and ram are mounted to Ableton specifications.

Agreed. I have no idea what the concern is about. Intel isn't building the enclosure for Ableton. Intel is still selling CPU's. Whoever is making their enclosure will continue to do so, and they can shove whatever CPU, memory and SSD they want in it. The only thing intel is doing in this is creating CPU's...and they will continue to create CPU's. They are getting out of the we are creating our own small computer with all the parts in it business and letting other companies do that so they can cut costs on non critical business lines to save $$$.

I think it’s a drop In component, isn’t it? So there’s the Push enclosure, an Intel CPU, but also a housing around the CPU that has also been manufactured by Intel and that’s the bit they’re bailing on.

That’s what it looks like in the pic of the upgrade kit on the site.

[drez]

...but also a housing around the CPU that has also been manufactured by Intel ...

How do you know that is manufactured by Intel?

[dcjams]

...but also a housing around the CPU that has also been manufactured by Intel ...

How do you know that is manufactured by Intel?

No, for sure, I don’t! Only an assumption. I thought that’s what the form factor was that led on to them doing the mini-PCs. My guess is it’s that bit (and definitely the little PCs) that they’re not doing but will ‘support others’ to continue the form factor/platform if they want to.

Unless of course the CPUs are custom cuts themselves, ie were only made for the platform.

But as admins etc have pointed out. This is all speculation:)

[drez]

...but also a housing around the CPU that has also been manufactured by Intel ...

How do you know that is manufactured by Intel?

No, for sure, I don’t! Only an assumption. I thought that’s what the form factor was that led on to them doing the mini-PCs. My guess is it’s that bit (and definitely the little PCs) that they’re not doing but will ‘support others’ to continue the form factor/platform if they want to.

Unless of course the CPUs are custom cuts themselves, ie were only made for the platform.

But as admins etc have pointed out. This is all speculation:)

The i3-1115G4 is just a CPU and it's in tons of stuff. Like laptops, for instance. There are a shedload of different laptops from different companies using that chip. Intel doesn't make enclosures for every possible laptop that some company comes up with. They just sell the cpu to the laptop manufacturer and the manufacturers build the enclosure to fit that specific laptop. It's no different with the Push.

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I like how people on this forum are like it's not a big deal. As if ableton is gonna find somebody to just start producing Intel clone cpus for them at scale. Clones. Not real Intel cpu. People on here act like the enclosure will accept any cpu. Or that producing cpus at scale it easy. Next the new cpus will need to be tested at scale. The sales pitch ableton gave were these were INTEL cpus. Right? How is this new 3rd party qa process compared to Intel. You fan boys are delusional. Let's be real here. This is a problem, and Ableton is MUM like always.
You do realize this will most likely require some sort of fork. I've never heard of cloned Intel cpus. I've never heard of a 3rd party producing an Intel chip. Please make it make sense. What are you people talking about??

[drez]

I like how people on this forum are like it's not a big deal. As if ableton is gonna find somebody to just start producing Intel clone cpus for them at scale. Clones. Not real Intel cpu. People on here act like the enclosure will accept any cpu. Or that producing cpus at scale it easy. Next the new cpus will need to be tested at scale. The sales pitch ableton gave were these were INTEL cpus. Right? How is this new 3rd party qa process compared to Intel. You fan boys are delusional. Let's be real here. This is a problem, and Ableton is MUM like always.
You do realize this will most likely require some sort of fork. I've never heard of cloned Intel cpus. I've never heard of a 3rd party producing an Intel chip. Please make it make sense. What are you people talking about

I do not understand what you are saying. If Ableton wants to use a different CPU, they just send you a different enclosure. CPU's fit into a socket, and that socket is a standard. The current chip fits into a FCBGA1449 socket. With that same socket, you can put all sorts of CPU's into that socket, up to a i7-1195G7. NUC has nothing at all to do with it, it's just CPU's. And if they want to go with a whole different CPU family with a different socket type, they just send you a new enclosure that supports it...that's their whole upgrade plan anyway to future CPU's. You aren't swapping CPU's yourself when you upgrade, you are getting a new enclosure with all of that manufactured by Ableton's supplier.

This has nothing to do with fanboyism, and everything to do with basic computer system manufacturing. It happens all the time lol.

[elbows]

I do not understand what you are saying. If Ableton wants to use a different CPU, they just send you a different enclosure. CPU's fit into a socket, and that socket is a standard. The current chip fits into a FCBGA1449 socket. With that same socket, you can put all sorts of CPU's into that socket, up to a i7-1195G7. NUC has nothing at all to do with it, it's just CPU's. And if they want to go with a whole different CPU family with a different socket type, they just send you a new enclosure that supports it...that's their whole upgrade plan anyway to future CPU's. You aren't swapping CPU's yourself when you upgrade, you are getting a new enclosure with all of that manufactured by Ableton's supplier.

This has nothing to do with fanboyism, and everything to do with basic computer system manufacturing. It happens all the time lol.

I dont think you understand what Intel component Ableton decided to use with the Push 3. Intel NUC is too broad a term, the specifics matter - in the case of the Push 3 its one of Intels "NUC Compute Elements". Which is a bunch of stuff integrated into a slim single package with a specific connector to the rest of the system. It isnt clear to me whether anybody else will ever make those in a format that is compatible with the Push 3.

[dcjams]

How do you know that is manufactured by Intel?

No, for sure, I don’t! Only an assumption. I thought that’s what the form factor was that led on to them doing the mini-PCs. My guess is it’s that bit (and definitely the little PCs) that they’re not doing but will ‘support others’ to continue the form factor/platform if they want to.

Unless of course the CPUs are custom cuts themselves, ie were only made for the platform.

But as admins etc have pointed out. This is all speculation:)

The i3-1115G4 is just a CPU and it's in tons of stuff. Like laptops, for instance. There are a shedload of different laptops from different companies using that chip. Intel doesn't make enclosures for every possible laptop that some company comes up with. They just sell the cpu to the laptop manufacturer and the manufacturers build the enclosure to fit that specific laptop. It's no different with the Push.

Well in that case, no, I don’t see what the fuss is all about!

[drez]

I do not understand what you are saying. If Ableton wants to use a different CPU, they just send you a different enclosure. CPU's fit into a socket, and that socket is a standard. The current chip fits into a FCBGA1449 socket. With that same socket, you can put all sorts of CPU's into that socket, up to a i7-1195G7. NUC has nothing at all to do with it, it's just CPU's. And if they want to go with a whole different CPU family with a different socket type, they just send you a new enclosure that supports it...that's their whole upgrade plan anyway to future CPU's. You aren't swapping CPU's yourself when you upgrade, you are getting a new enclosure with all of that manufactured by Ableton's supplier.

This has nothing to do with fanboyism, and everything to do with basic computer system manufacturing. It happens all the time lol.

I dont think you understand what Intel component Ableton decided to use with the Push 3. Intel NUC is too broad a term, the specifics matter - in the case of the Push 3 its one of Intels "NUC Compute Elements". Which is a bunch of stuff integrated into a slim single package with a specific connector to the rest of the system. It isnt clear to me whether anybody else will ever make those in a format that is compatible with the Push 3.

Right, but the carrier board that houses that "stuff" is a standard. And it's a published standard. Any manufacturer can build to that specification.

For example:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/suppo ... erview.pdf

They can source that board from whatever manufacturer that they want and into their own enclosure that is already custom interfaced into the Push 3. There are already other companies doing this, creating their own "compute elements", which is the whole reason Intel is stepping out of the business.

From This sonicstate article...

...They are using a specially-adapted Intel® NUC Compute Element, which is a credit card sized sealed unit...

Intel isn't the only provider of "Compute Elements". There are other manufacturers that undoubtably meet the specs that Intel publishes because Intel isn't the only provider OF all enclosed elements. There's a whole industry around it.

But absolutely, you're welcome to worry about it though! Personally, I do not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I do not understand what you are saying. If Ableton wants to use a different CPU, they just send you a different enclosure. CPU's fit into a socket, and that socket is a standard. The current chip fits into a FCBGA1449 socket. With that same socket, you can put all sorts of CPU's into that socket, up to a i7-1195G7. NUC has nothing at all to do with it, it's just CPU's. And if they want to go with a whole different CPU family with a different socket type, they just send you a new enclosure that supports it...that's their whole upgrade plan anyway to future CPU's. You aren't swapping CPU's yourself when you upgrade, you are getting a new enclosure with all of that manufactured by Ableton's supplier.

This has nothing to do with fanboyism, and everything to do with basic computer system manufacturing. It happens all the time lol.

I dont think you understand what Intel component Ableton decided to use with the Push 3. Intel NUC is too broad a term, the specifics matter - in the case of the Push 3 its one of Intels "NUC Compute Elements". Which is a bunch of stuff integrated into a slim single package with a specific connector to the rest of the system. It isnt clear to me whether anybody else will ever make those in a format that is compatible with the Push 3.

Right, but the carrier board that houses that "stuff" is a standard. And it's a published standard. Any manufacturer can build to that specification.

For example:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/suppo ... erview.pdf

They can source that board from whatever manufacturer that they want and into their own enclosure that is already custom interfaced into the Push 3. There are already other companies doing this, creating their own "compute elements", which is the whole reason Intel is stepping out of the business.

From This sonicstate article...

...They are using a specially-adapted Intel® NUC Compute Element, which is a credit card sized sealed unit...

Intel isn't the only provider of "Compute Elements". There are other manufacturers that undoubtably meet the specs that Intel publishes because Intel isn't the only provider OF all enclosed elements. There's a whole industry around it.

But absolutely, you're welcome to worry about it though! Personally, I do not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Okay. But you're assuming they will be able to source a 3rd party that can produce these at scale. If they do find a source it will require lengthy testing and rounds of qa on the vendors yields. Unless the chip is 100% identical it will require a FORK in the source code with a bunch of refactoring and other changes. Judging from the release of the push 3 Abletons qa is Far from stellar. Nobody said the push 3 was dead because of this change. It just means a whole bunch of stars need to align.

Ableton doesn't seem to care about consumer confidence. Zero messaging. No roadmap. Etc.

Their marketing and advertising said it utilizes a Intel NUC. Not chipCom(fake name) or any other off brand manufactorer. I'm just saying.

I feel for them. I really do. Only time will tell.

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It’d still be an Intel chip. It’s just the gubbins around it that would be third-party and as said previously, there are already plenty of established manufacturers.

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Right, but the carrier board that houses that "stuff" is a standard. And it's a published standard. Any manufacturer can build to that specification.

For example:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/suppo ... erview.pdf

No, the carrier board you linked to is what you plug the compute element into. It is not what you would use to make your own compute element. All Push 3's including the controller-only version already have the equivalent of this board, its the compute element itself which needs to be added to make it a standalone Push (+ storage)

[drez]

Right, but the carrier board that houses that "stuff" is a standard. And it's a published standard. Any manufacturer can build to that specification.

For example:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/suppo ... erview.pdf

No, the carrier board you linked to is what you plug the compute element into. It is not what you would use to make your own compute element. All Push 3's including the controller-only version already have the equivalent of this board, its the compute element itself which needs to be added to make it a standalone Push (+ storage)

So what would you use to make your own compute element? A motherboard, cpu, and memory. There are already vendors doing SFF like that such as ASRock, ASUS or industrial vendors like Onlogic. Plus all of Intel's current manufacturing partners will walk right over to those guys and say "we already have resources to help with this". Additionally, this will also create more competition in the space and help drive the price down.

We shall see, but the vacuum created by Intel leaving the space will get filled because the manufacturing is already there. It will just be different people's names on those products.

That's my theory

[Audivit]

The Intel NUC Compute Element module was only made by Intel and nobody else, other companies such as ASRock are making other kind of NUC boards, the Element modules are a special kind created by Intel and they have a different architecture compared to other NUC products.

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The Intel NUC Compute Element module was only made by Intel and nobody else, other companies such as ASRock are making other kind of NUC boards, the Element modules are a special kind created by Intel and they have a different architecture compared to other NUC products.

I wish people understood this very point.
It's a mess for ableton.