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sampling a 909 BD should have been illegal, that would have spared us from 15 years of mostly crap music

I have used tons of cracked software - In my opinion the demo versions of most programs aren't good enough for me to get a real understanding of the product - I'm ok with cracked versions existing - I couldn't hope to go out and buy everything that interests me - Nonetheless, once I have played with a product that is fully functional I decide whether it is a keeper or not. Then I go out and buy it. I don't see any harm in doing that. I usually know whether a program is good for me fairly quickly and always uninstall it after I've checked it out. All the software i use is paid for and by the time I've made that decision I'm sold usually for life (so far) so having that crack in the end benefits the software companies. There are 3 exceptions to this however - When I first set eyes on Live and on Reason, I knew they were for me right away - so I bought them - the 3rd is Pro Tools which came with my MBOX purchase... Cycling'74 has an interestring approach to demos - so they're an exception too - but I haven't decided whether MAX /MSP is for me or not - it's a tough one for me to get my head aound

Chris J wrote:sampling a 909 BD should have been illegal, that would have spared us from 15 years of mostly crap music :lol:

If you're going to use that logic then 909 / 808 / CR78 / 707 / 606 / 303 / 202 / J-106 / Sequential / Linn / etc etc all should have never been sampled either.

Or maybe we just blame the "sampler" itself shall we.
Probably the single most influential musical innovation/instrument of the last 20 years.
People are responsible for crap music, machines and or musical instruments aren't.
Plenty of crap indy rock for example in the last 15 years.
So blame people for being boring bland and unimaginative all you like.
A bad workman blames his tools.
The 909 kick drum had jack all to do with boring music.
That said I could think of more than a handful of artists who could very well be accused of being pretty damned unimaginative with the tools at their disposal.
It still happens today.
It even happens with app's like LIVE (shock horror).
Isn't much you or I can do about really other than not buy or support crap music I guess.
Though one mans crap is another man's Sasha so God know's what I'm crapping on about either.

errr, it was a joke

i got a crack and im not thinking of buying it cos i cant afford it
so - should i wipe it ?
it works perfectly well by the way though....

i should add that i dont actually use it that much
cos im not that into it
i only turned up here because of the non smoking thread...

milfbait wrote: they will start using the program and falling in love with it, then after a couple months, they will go to open a project they are working on that really rocks. When they open it they will get an error that says "A copy protection violation has been detected, please contact ableton support". They will try to delete everything and reinstall, but that old project won't open. They will be forced to buy the legit version, by any means neccessary, because they now have so many ableton projects that they can no longer work on, and they will feel that other sequencers are now cumbersome. It's a brilliant concept, I've witnessed it first hand, and I now own Live legally.

This was my scenario exactly. I would never have purchased Live if I didn't experience its fluidity first hand, over several months.

dm_hawk wrote:

milfbait wrote: they will start using the program and falling in love with it, then after a couple months, they will go to open a project they are working on that really rocks. When they open it they will get an error that says "A copy protection violation has been detected, please contact ableton support". They will try to delete everything and reinstall, but that old project won't open. They will be forced to buy the legit version, by any means neccessary, because they now have so many ableton projects that they can no longer work on, and they will feel that other sequencers are now cumbersome. It's a brilliant concept, I've witnessed it first hand, and I now own Live legally.

This was my scenario exactly. I would never have purchased Live if I didn't experience its fluidity first hand, over several months.

The honest person's trial method is called a DEMO. Live's demo is first rate, ie. no time limit or annoying noise. If you hadn't gotten that error, I doubt you would have purchased it....so bollocks to you.

^ ^ at least he's honest.

If i'm honest this is what happened to me too. I was playing with a warez version of Live 3, and got that message. I freaked. I needed it. So I went out and bought it. Never looked back. I'm very happy to support the Abe's.

Call me what u like!!

And the demo version prevents you from saving no? To really try things out you need to be working on proper projects with it, saving and all... as others have said, warez can be a great promotional tool...

hell if i were in their shoes i'd strike a deal with the warezezers - force them to force users to really go out and buy the stuff after some time.

you have 3 months of work - you know you like a product you're going to buy it if it kills you...

dunno what they could give them in return tho - not like the warez guys need the software.

In some cases I have seen some dongle based software actually work better in the crack version -than the dongle version - go figure...

Yeah, they should flood the warez sites with cracks that are totally unstable, just so that they last long enough to hook people. I wouldn't be surprised if those rascally Abes have already thought of this

Hell yeah. Give it away for free at first, then when users become addicted, that's when they have to start paying. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "crack software".

the way i see things, and the way i rebuke every graphic designer, musician etc. that i know...


if you are making money off of something you took without asking,...you could have stolen your way to get where you have established your work. which means that everything you have created was by ill-ethical gain...---a car mechanic who has stolen some ratchets and a hoist and other tools to provide his income would definatly be considered a criminal by most, but when your tools are intangible it is still the same concept.

on the other hand...one may argue that taking the tools for self knowledge would be ethical, provided there is no gain for the one using them. we all (or most of us anyways) went to school where we had the resources to learn many softwares like photoshop/protools/microsoft, but while we learned i dont imagine any of us ever made money from the software while we learned it.

in truth, it is theft if we have taken money from an owned, un-borrowed resource.

Best two examples of using warez/bit torrent for marketing include. . .

Windows 98SE-Current: Put just enough copy protection on something to deter casual piracy, watch them Download it try it, get familair with it, buy a new computer with it, get your boss to use it cuz all the employees know it, capitalize on enterprise sales and rake in the cash. Periodically allow people to check their versions of the software and if they were sold with a new computer and are pirated and if they turn in the pirates, give them a brand spanking new computer, if they have a pirated version and are not willing to turn in the pirates, give them amnesty and offer them a discount on a full version of the software.

Battlefield 2: leak the game and activate your gaming servers 2 weeks before offical release date. Allow people to play on your servers with the warez version of the software. Let them get their fix and get hooked on the online play. Release a mandatory update that defeats the weak copy protections and leaked Serials two weeks after launch. Watch the junkies run to the store to buy their copies.

Warez is how I got into Traktor Dj Studio, I bought that, it's also how I got into live. I quit smoking and am saving up the scratch to buy my copy.

Rev

Hi, I just came back from NYC. Saw some friends. Had a sweet-ass time. Everyone I know is doing 3D animation. Each one said: just download the cracked version of maya or 3D studio max. Oh, and thought it was retarded that I bought Lightwave. Oh, and they were mostly professionals.

Simple observations here.

I like giving money to some companies.