What was the worst gear that you ever owned?

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Re: What was the worst gear that you ever owned?

Post by kabelton » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:34 pm

Mike Goodwin wrote:
And the gear that most lost its value......

EMU XL7 in 18 months I lost..............
1600 CAN. if you include tax! :evil: DAM YOU EMU!

the same thing happened to me... :(

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Post by mrruby » Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:01 pm

Roland D110...I still carry a grudge over that one. A single rack space D50.
I spent hours programming the thing with it's 2 button interface only to lose my sound edits with a stray click reverting the sound back to its factory setting..again and again....

as for the Roland MC-50 mentioned previously I put its prededcessor the MC500 to good use for nearly a decade- a million gigs and many songs written with--but it definitely lent itself to simple early techno music song writing..
...(go Depeche Mode!)

Peace

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Post by jack rock » Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:17 pm

Yamaha QX-21 sequencer

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Post by jamief » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:56 pm

Atari falcon with 4 channel cubase audio recording £2600 in 1996.
Pure Pish !

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Post by divonic » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:05 pm

worst piece of gear? it's hard to say. I've Yet to sell any of it. tho I did lend a few things out to friends.

-I bought 2 MOTU MTP (the original) off ebay only to find out they were mac only (got the software and everything too)

-A Roland Tr-727 and TR-626 Actually not really that bad. I haven't touched them in years but they are alittle long in the tooth.

-A Korg DDD-1. Real long in the tooth.

-A Boss SP-202. Wow is/was that thing cool but Live made it totally obsolete except to record stuff from the environment (I don't have a laptop) plus it's a little weak on features. and didn't take to being midi controlled very well; it ignored some note on/off commands.

-But by far the worst piece of gear I bought was a Brother MDI-30 midi sequencer. midi recorder is a better description. used it like 4 times and then decieded that it was time to get a real sequencer. it did help me figure out what I wanted.

-The thing I bought that made me scratch my head the most was 2 1u rackable power strips. they are great except for two things, first They are just milimeters bigger than 1u (rather than being 1.75" they are 1.76") So I have to put them at the top or bottom of the rack. it wouldn't fit between two other racked units. secondly they only have one rack screw hole at the center of the ear rather than one at the top and one at the bottom. fine if you have a rack with 3 threaded holes per side per 1u. But of my racks only 1 of 4 had that. I ended up drilling holes in the rack ears for proper locations.

-As for the EMU xl7 I still use mine a lot. It changed from the core of my studio to a sound module/groove box when I first purchased Live.

-And while some behringer stuff does sucks: The compressors barely seem to be doing anything and some of the mixers are a bit noisy. I'm happy with my Effects boxes, have no complaints about the patchbay and Absoultly love my ADA8000 which gives me an additional 8 ins and outs from my soundcard via ADAT/lightpipe. Oh and they sound real good too. But I trust the guy at my Friendly Neighborhood Music Store (FNMS) He knows his stuff. He doesn't Keep crappy stuff around. and if they do they let people know that there are better but more expensive options. They don't carry the entire behringer line but a select fre things. (like no behringer monitors but they have the ADA800)

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Post by mr-e » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:18 am

- propellerheads reason 1 & 2 (never looked at version 3 because i was to pissed at them not including audio input after 4 years nagging on the forum , and then they have the balls to include a vocoder without the means to send any external signal to it ...
whoever wines about ableton not listening to their userbase should realise how much each version update includes almost 80% of the forum requests ... I can only assume the impulse will get a total revamp in version 6 8) )
- any of the old fruityloops apps (never bothered checking the updates the past 8 years)

both apps gave you the impression of doing something great until you launched good old fasttracker 2 and suddenly remembered what those samples were supposed to sound like

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Post by forge » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:00 am

mr-e wrote:- propellerheads reason 1 & 2 (never looked at version 3 because i was to pissed at them not including audio input after 4 years nagging on the forum , and then they have the balls to include a vocoder without the means to send any external signal to it ...
whoever wines about ableton not listening to their userbase should realise how much each version update includes almost 80% of the forum requests ... I can only assume the impulse will get a total revamp in version 6 8) )
- any of the old fruityloops apps (never bothered checking the updates the past 8 years)

both apps gave you the impression of doing something great until you launched good old fasttracker 2 and suddenly remembered what those samples were supposed to sound like
totally agree about reason - that's why I sold it, no audio in, plus poor (not full duplex) rewire - I just thought by that stage when alot of people have moved up a notch and got better plug-ins they would have had some kind of way of just using the malstrom filters or scream or rev7000 on audio from somewhere else

then they also added mastering plug-ins?? what planet are they on....????

but as for fruity, if yo havent checked upgrades in 8 years you might be surprised - it never ceases to amaze me that program the things it can do

I dont often use it because I am happy with Live + NI Komplete but for the money + free upgrades for life FLS 6 is an amazing program - one way of adding video to live if nothing else...

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Post by hoffman2k » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:53 am

zebastian21 wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:M-audio fw410
Roland mc-909

HHMMMM....whats wrong with the Mc-909?...i was thinking of picking up one or the new 808 :roll:
Wonna buy mine? :D

It's a decent thing if you can get em cheap. But totally not worth the 2000€ i paid for it.
It cuts of the tail of the previous patch when you do a program change. Something that Roland never fixed.
It freezes when it gets too hot.
The MIDI clock is a bit shakey...

Maybe that 808 is something...
But i doubt it'll live up to the marketing mumbo-jumbo.

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Post by ciw » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:49 pm

jahnlay wrote:Come to think of it, anything from Creative has always sucked technical ass, ha ha. :lol:
i disagree - my soundblaster live cost me under 30 quid a few years back, I don't think anything else gives you reliable 2-in 4-out 20ms-latency audio for the price. :)

my behringer ub1002 mixer on the other hand, spontaneously short circuits to mono every day :evil: [/i]

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Post by SubFunk » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:32 pm

mr-e wrote:

talking about reason and fruity loops:

both apps gave you the impression of doing something great until you launched good old fasttracker 2 and suddenly remembered what those samples were supposed to sound like
hugh... yeah, i know that one, totally agree, not just utterly rubish apps alltogether, they also sound absolut terrible.

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Post by CWoodOne » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:46 pm

register wrote:
CWoodOne wrote:1.) Focusrite Sapphire
2.) M-Audio Firewire 410

... i agree, but what are your reasons?
I was appauled by the amp simulation on the saffire, and the reverb could only be used for monitoring purposes! You couldn't actually record any of the units reverb into software!
I like the idea that an external, bus powered card could do loads of tricky, but this was awful.
I agree about the saffire plugs, what a joke to use dsp to monitor, but have to use a plugin to record. That SUCKS. I had 3 units, 1 DOA, 2 flaky ones.
Tried on both Mac and PC. Totally FRIED my Mac's hard drive.
The M-Audio 410 SUCKS. It clicks and pops and causes my PC to reboot all the time. M-Audio's tech support is useless and didn't even try to help.
Horrible sound, also. My ancient Lexicon Omega blew it out of the water for sound and preamp quality.
These are both the lemons of all time.

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Post by johnpitcairn » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:14 pm

1st place: Amstrad Studio 100 all-in-one radio/stereo/turntable/4-track cassette thing. But it could record 4 tracks at once (gasp), albeit badly.

2nd place: original Alesis Midiverb. The tabletop unit with the patches printed on the top. Grubby grubby noisy reverbs, so noisy that they're all gated in the tail. RCA in and out. Oh hang on, I've still got this...

Now I feel old...
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Post by marky » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:44 pm

johnpitcairn wrote:1st place: Amstrad Studio 100 all-in-one radio/stereo/turntable/4-track cassette thing. But it could record 4 tracks at once (gasp), albeit badly.

Now I feel old...
I had one of those!!! I loved it! It could actually do 10 tracks so long as you bounced!

It surely must have been the dawn of pro-sumer audio.

- Mark

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Post by pulsoc » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:33 pm

mr-e wrote:any of the old fruityloops apps (never bothered checking the updates the past 8 years)

both apps gave you the impression of doing something great until you launched good old fasttracker 2 and suddenly remembered what those samples were supposed to sound like
Wow that's weird, I got Fruity 6 years ago when it was v.2. Did you start with v.0?

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Post by mr-e » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:53 pm

Wow that's weird, I got Fruity 6 years ago when it was v.2. Did you start with v.0?
well we used it from almost the 1 version that ever came out , if I remember correctly they were from Belgium (me too) so that'll probably explain wy I got so early on it ... but I started messing with it before I left highschool so that's 2 years of failed university + 4 years of college + 1 year jobless + working for almost 2 years now = 9 years , can't remember when the very first demo of reason came out but that was the moment I dropped the app

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