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glitchrock-buddha wrote: I don't really care about kore, but I'm just going to have to spend a bunch on komplete updates instead.

grb

Dude. How about buy the kore, get your updates, and then ebay it?

glitchrock-buddha wrote:Ya, the remote SL is great. I got me one.
The only reason I was seriously considering kore is that I'd get komplete care for free if I got kore, and since I have to update all of my N.I. plugs this year anyways for universal binary versions, I'd have spent half the value of kore anyways. I figured I'd be able to learn the kore software knobs to the SL, which I could, but I'd still have to have the kore controller hooked up to use kore tracks.

Phrazer looks like it's PC only eh? too bad. Also it doesn't seem to have the standard software knobs which you can assign the plug-ins most important parameters, like the kore software.

I don't really care about kore, but I'm just going to have to spend a bunch on komplete updates instead.

grb

Only reason I don't have an SL is because I have the X-Station. GREAT company BTW, they fixed the X-Station for free after I dropped it and a key didn't work, simply because the warantee hadn't expired, even though dropping hardware isn't covered by any warantee! Nice!
Too bad about Kore, I'm going to just wait on the updates then.... G5 and the measly powerbook will do until the Merom chips hit the second generation, then maybe I can afford to drop that sort of cash.

Ew, if you can let NI know that some of us are not only skipping Kore, but Komplete 3,and Komplete Care 2 this year. All of which I was going to pick up. All of that cash marked for NI, gone.
Some of us simply will not buy another product with PACE, or that MUST have a dongle, branded audio card, or pretty controller.

The reason why you have to have the controller plugged in is that unlike other NI software, you can install Kore on as many machines as you like. The only restrictions are that 1) each install has to be activated via the Service Center (which will be replacing the registration tool for all NI products eventually) within 14 days, and 2) you have to have the controller plugged in when using Kore. It's a fair tradeoff I think...

ew

ewistrand wrote:The reason why you have to have the controller plugged in is that unlike other NI software, you can install Kore on as many machines as you like. The only restrictions are that 1) each install has to be activated via the Service Center (which will be replacing the registration tool for all NI products eventually) within 14 days, and 2) you have to have the controller plugged in when using Kore. It's a fair tradeoff I think...

ew

I would really like a more elaborate explantion as to how this is a fair trade... Please tell me why I would want kore on multiple machines when all my other NI software isn't allowed to be installed on as many machines as I like? What's the point, am I going to use kore by itself on my machines that don't have the software it is made to exlpoit due to a contradiction of liscencing? That's not really a useful trade of if you ask me. It's more like asking me to go and download hacked versions of stuff I paid for so I can run kore with it's appropiate counterparts- cause there is no way in hell I would buy Komplete twice just so I could have a reason to utilise kores liscensing scheme for multiple machines. I'm not trying to be an ass or spark pointless flame debate- but that's one hell of a contradtiction. Besides all that NI is going to have people waiting around all year to utilize this stuff if they plan on using intel macs, and after seeing how "great" kontakt has been running lately, I can see another year of long awaited updates and complaining on NI boards. I personally think Kore is way ahead of everything else NI is doing, and it's going to take just a little too long for all of the other products to catch up to kore and it's functionality for alot of people to justify buying it right now. Mac users are selling powerbooks left and right to get intel macs, But there is no mention of when universal binaries will be out for kore, and all the other product deadlines are too vague and approximate. Nobody want's to guess when they will be able to use what they have already paid for, no less an update for a big fat dongle. I really am not trying to be rude or negitive, and I'm sure there are many people who are happy with their current platforms, but it's just my two cents about the whole big fancy kore deal.

Louis wrote:

ewistrand wrote:The reason why you have to have the controller plugged in is that unlike other NI software, you can install Kore on as many machines as you like. The only restrictions are that 1) each install has to be activated via the Service Center (which will be replacing the registration tool for all NI products eventually) within 14 days, and 2) you have to have the controller plugged in when using Kore. It's a fair tradeoff I think...

ew

I would really like a more elaborate explantion as to how this is a fair trade... Please tell me why I would want kore on multiple machines when all my other NI software isn't allowed to be installed on as many machines as I like? What's the point, am I going to use kore by itself on my machines that don't have the software it is made to exlpoit due to a contradiction of liscencing? That's not really a useful trade of if you ask me. It's more like asking me to go and download hacked versions of stuff I paid for so I can run kore with it's appropiate counterparts- cause there is no way in hell I would buy Komplete twice just so I could have a reason to utilise kores liscensing scheme for multiple machines. I'm not trying to be an ass or spark pointless flame debate- but that's one hell of a contradtiction.

Well said.

You might want to rethink how fair of a trade off that nifty multiple licensing trade off is... Let me give you an example. Say you use your two licenses for Komplete, you stay reasonably within boundries of the EULA by using Reactor on one machine, and Kontact on another. NI products tend to be processor heavy, and as a single user, you aren't exploiting the license much, if at all, just getting what you can from your laptop to help out the desktop.... I've asked NI representatives about this out of curiosity, and it seemed a reasonable stretch of the EULA to them.
Kore makes that impossible. So not only does the multiple license feature of Kore hinder the end user from playing songs without the hardware, it further limits the bundled plug ins if you use them with a handy Kore VST/AU.....

I'm pretty saddened that NI have come to this. I can't believe I almost bought it without knowing this as well........

Machinesworking wrote:

Louis wrote:

ewistrand wrote:The reason why you have to have the controller plugged in is that unlike other NI software, you can install Kore on as many machines as you like. The only restrictions are that 1) each install has to be activated via the Service Center (which will be replacing the registration tool for all NI products eventually) within 14 days, and 2) you have to have the controller plugged in when using Kore. It's a fair tradeoff I think...

ew

I would really like a more elaborate explantion as to how this is a fair trade... Please tell me why I would want kore on multiple machines when all my other NI software isn't allowed to be installed on as many machines as I like? What's the point, am I going to use kore by itself on my machines that don't have the software it is made to exlpoit due to a contradiction of liscencing? That's not really a useful trade of if you ask me. It's more like asking me to go and download hacked versions of stuff I paid for so I can run kore with it's appropiate counterparts- cause there is no way in hell I would buy Komplete twice just so I could have a reason to utilise kores liscensing scheme for multiple machines. I'm not trying to be an ass or spark pointless flame debate- but that's one hell of a contradtiction.

Well said.

You might want to rethink how fair of a trade off that nifty multiple licensing trade off is... Let me give you an example. Say you use your two licenses for Komplete, you stay reasonably within boundries of the EULA by using Reactor on one machine, and Kontact on another. NI products tend to be processor heavy, and as a single user, you aren't exploiting the license much, if at all, just getting what you can from your laptop to help out the desktop.... I've asked NI representatives about this out of curiosity, and it seemed a reasonable stretch of the EULA to them.
Kore makes that impossible. So not only does the multiple license feature of Kore hinder the end user from playing songs without the hardware, it further limits the bundled plug ins if you use them with a handy Kore VST/AU.....

I'm pretty saddened that NI have come to this. I can't believe I almost bought it without knowing this as well........

Same here, it had potential, but this is limiting in so many ways. I hope everyone who buys it realizes this before hand. It would be a rather unpleasant surprise to have your lappie away from the controller and not be able to work on tracks, or as you said to have products on two different machines, and only be able to use the kore software on one. no good.

I'm a little concerned as to the future of kore/komplete as well. If it turns into some forced bundle that would super lame. I love N.I. instruments, but I just hope komplete is maintained without needing a giant dongle.

grb

One question. Does Kore respond to midi program changes messages? Nothing else seems to. This could be the answer to all my prayers.

Mike

sliversnout wrote:One question. Does Kore respond to midi program changes messages? Nothing else seems to. This could be the answer to all my prayers.

Mike

I'm sure it does, the same way Absynth, reaktor, fm7, pro-53, B4 and kontakt etc. do.

grb

sliversnout wrote:One question. Does Kore respond to midi program changes messages? Nothing else seems to. This could be the answer to all my prayers.

Mike

Yep. Any instrument loaded into Kore can respond to program changes (or not, if you so wish).

Kore as a standalone also uses program changes to switch between presets in a performance. I'll use one that I use for an example; I have one performance that has an instance of Zebra, two instances of Absynth, an instance of Reaktor and an instance of Microtonic. One of the presets is Zebra and one of the Absynth instances, another is Reaktor and the other Absynth instance, another is all, another is Reaktor and Microtonic and the last is just Reaktor. By using program changes, the previous preset will fade out at a programmable rate, while the new preset fades in. When the previous preset is done fading out, any instrument not used in the new preset will shut itself off, hence saving that amount of CPU.

You can also set presets to change automatically by bar/beat or elapsed time.

ew

Oops... double post. My ISP hiccupped

ew

The Kore/Komplete bundle looks pretty attractive I have to say. audiomidi.com has it for $1449.00.

http://www.audiomidi.com/KORE-Komplete- ... 392&AFID=3

Has anyone seen it cheaper?

1349$ at novamusik.com

radiance wrote:1349$ at novamusik.com

Thanks! Do I hear $1299 anywhere? Does NI offer an educational discount?

looks like combinator to me and its audio interface with 2 stereo inputs and outputs + controller,sounds pretty damn cool

/. wrote:looks like combinator to me and its audio interface with 2 stereo inputs and outputs + controller,sounds pretty damn cool

And, if you have a multi-in/out soundcard you'd rather use it with, you have up to eight stereo ins and outs in standalone...

ew