JoMoX vs. Machinedrum

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:36 pm

b0unce wrote:
steve-o wrote:I found the sound to be very digital and harsh, whereas I was looking for something warmer.

In my experience, for the pumping thick thumping whatever drums, a quality compressor and or limiter is key, as are topnotch samples. If the basic sound of the amcine drum appeals to you then by all means get one. In my opinion its a niche item, and priced accordingly.
so what are you saying,....buy a compressor/limiter ? that's a no brainer man, and not really relevant if we are talking about the drum machines themselves. indeed almost anything you put through a compressor/limiter will improve with respect percussion.

and like I already said - if you have a distinct, and narrow idea of what exact sound you want - and that amounts to the three sounds the jomox makes - well then, that's another no brainer.

and besides, dbolt already stated what sound he was after - which amounts to the sound the machinedrum provides....idm & electronic etc. I dont think he said he wanted to make minimalist techno with one warm kick drum....

I find it hard to stomach your cirticism of the machinedrum, just because it wasnt the sound you were after - its obviously a great machine whether its your cup-of-tea or not is a different story. How the hell did you end up buying a machinedrum anyways if the sound wasnt what you wanted ? do you just throw hundreds of dollars around on stuff you know nothing about ?

its like...if I wanted the sound of bagpipes , and instead I bought an expensive flute - then told people the flute sucked and was for a niche market....lol

Wow, what's up with the anger man? You gave your opinion of the machinedrum and I gave mine. Honestly, why are you threatened by negative criticism of the MD? I made no criticism of attack on you, why do feel entitled to make one of me?

I just disagreed with you. Don't be so attatched to your gear.

PEACE (I'm out of this thread)

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:46 pm

b0unce wrote:heh, I'm a gear slut too so I know all about that,
but in this context - its just gear-stupidity. 'i want bagpipes , but I think I'll buy this flute for twice the price'

the only thing more stupid would be to take his advice on flutes

All right, you've insulted me. Making assumptions about a person you know nothing about. My advice was backed up by other peoples experience so it can't be all that stupid now can it? Again I ask the question - did I insult you?

You know what everybody - DON'T take my advice. Take bounces - he's "obviously" way more mature and experience with the MD than I am.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:49 pm

You guys are both just wasting time going on about it, it's the internet, who cares?

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:53 pm

heh... well not so much anger, just determined to proove that the MD is actually right up his alley and worth the dough by all accounts. Yer negative review sucked, it sucked shit. I just find it incomprehensible that you dropped the dough on a machinedrum even tho it wasnt the sound you were after, and then give it negative reviews cos it isnt the sound you were after.

i dunno, did you really buy one ? you really bought a machinedrum - and sold it because it underwhelmed you ? and then you buy microtonic ? and that floats your boat ? and next stylus ?

i dont get it...i just dont understand - and I've used them all extensively...

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:59 pm

steve-o wrote:
b0unce wrote:heh, I'm a gear slut too so I know all about that,
but in this context - its just gear-stupidity. 'i want bagpipes , but I think I'll buy this flute for twice the price'

the only thing more stupid would be to take his advice on flutes
All right, you've insulted me. Making assumptions about a person you know nothing about. My advice was backed up by other peoples experience so it can't be all that stupid now can it? Again I ask the question - did I insult you?

You know what everybody - DON'T take my advice. Take bounces - he's "obviously" way more mature and experience with the MD than I am.

making assumptions ? ...not in the slightest, i was merely paraphrasing your review. its bang-on-the money.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:26 pm

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:01 pm

The Machinedrum is cool but it's getting a little overhyped at this point. I sold mine and I don't miss it. I use Microtonic for more straightforward stuff and Kontakt and Reaktor for more experimental sounds. I can't think of any hardware out there that does what the Machinedrum does exactly so in that sense the price is reasonable but there are certainly plenty of software options that can do as much or more for far less.

Honestly I think Elektron really dumbed down the sequencer. For instance, why not:

1. play different instrument lanes at different speeds
2. different lengths for each instrument lane
3. play each lane in forward, reverse, or alternate order

Other stepsequencers like the P3 can do this. You can do some of this in song mode but you should be able to do it on the fly. I also really hate the way it handles kits. If you switch patterns without manually saving the kit first you lose it and you'd better remember to fish it out of the undo kit immediately or it's gone.

Anyway, the Elektron stuff has its ups and downs like all other gear.

dbolt · Post by **dbolt** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:28 pm

What type of material is the Machinedrum made with? (Metal, Plastic, etc..)

Is it consider light or heavy?

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:32 pm

Metal all the way, it's VERY sturdy.

dbolt · Post by **dbolt** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:53 pm

Thats what thought!!

When I get my money I'm going to buy both the SPS 1 UW and the JoMoX base 09 se, no matter what and at least keep them for 30 days to see what all the hype is all about.

I will also buy the JoMoX and that way I can test both at the same time.

Man its going to be hard sending those back

thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:17 pm

rikhyray wrote: Good and bad news. Bad- no Jomox available right now , even worse the new Jomox will be as expensive as machine drum. Good news the shop will be getting both the old models and they will go new for 499 and 199 Euros much less then the current Ebay second hand ( was checking recently). Like the MPD16 case, selling of the old stocks, one time chance I am not going to miss.

Just curious, where did you hear that Jomox's old Xbase09's are going to be discounted? I'm really interested if this is the case...

Thanks

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:08 pm

thelike5 wrote:
rikhyray wrote: Good and bad news. Bad- no Jomox available right now , even worse the new Jomox will be as expensive as machine drum. Good news the shop will be getting both the old models and they will go new for 499 and 199 Euros much less then the current Ebay second hand ( was checking recently). Like the MPD16 case, selling of the old stocks, one time chance I am not going to miss.
Just curious, where did you hear that Jomox's old Xbase09's are going to be discounted? I'm really interested if this is the case...

Thanks

it is a small company, they must put them together, i guess getting rid of old model components so probably limited number really, I doubt these discounted units would be many, so forget USA, probably Germany only.
I can let you know, or the board, as soon as I get one. Also can try to help in case it is better to get it from here ( like actually go to the shop and check your unit before it gets shipped) suppose they are expensive in US like Future retro in Europe- Revolution is almost 1000 $ here, these little companies cannot compete globaly.

Since I may replace MX with 09 I wonder if any MX user made a Live equivalent of MX`s arp. I was trying with arp/scale but it is not working well, I would miss it too much from MX, must try with SL touchpad, but suspect it may work the easiest with Kontrolpad.

thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:01 pm

rikhyray wrote:
thelike5 wrote:
rikhyray wrote: Good and bad news. Bad- no Jomox available right now , even worse the new Jomox will be as expensive as machine drum. Good news the shop will be getting both the old models and they will go new for 499 and 199 Euros much less then the current Ebay second hand ( was checking recently). Like the MPD16 case, selling of the old stocks, one time chance I am not going to miss.
Just curious, where did you hear that Jomox's old Xbase09's are going to be discounted? I'm really interested if this is the case...

Thanks
it is a small company, they must put them together, i guess getting rid of old model components so probably limited number really, I doubt these discounted units would be many, so forget USA, probably Germany only.
I can let you know, or the board, as soon as I get one. Also can try to help in case it is better to get it from here ( like actually go to the shop and check your unit before it gets shipped) suppose they are expensive in US like Future retro in Europe- Revolution is almost 1000 $ here, these little companies cannot compete globaly.

Since I may replace MX with 09 I wonder if any MX user made a Live equivalent of MX`s arp. I was trying with arp/scale but it is not working well, I would miss it too much from MX, must try with SL touchpad, but suspect it may work the easiest with Kontrolpad.

Cool, that makes sense about a German company selling what's left to German shops. Yeah, Future Retro really rules. It's a shame you would have to spend $1000 on a Revolution. What a nice guy Jerod @ Future Retro is though. May be worth it as that synth just puts a smile on my face (and I've only heard the demos)...

As far as the arp on the Korg emx1, yeah it's pretty amazing for whatit does but I honestly don't use that feature all that much. I love the Korg for it's drum sounds and general ease of use. I've only played around with it doing 4/4 Techno stuff. I realy need to get into it a bit more when I can afford the time, and play with different timings, etc. I'm also starting to get sick of the synth sounds but I guess that's natural. I just really love the interface on the EMX-1... Wouldn't mind picking up a Jomox xbase09 as I have had my eye on those for years now. I'd probably really get back into producing different stuff that I haven't touched in a while with that...

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:18 pm

I really play MX using the touch pad, flutes, trumpet, synth, bass solos, use it for live recording of strings and horns. Since I played fretless instrument for long years I fell comfortable with touch pad. Also there are some highly usable, not just standard greek modes on the arp. The sound....it is fine live but when I recorded some of that stuff.....hard to make it sound good, the softwares are so high resolution these days that the 16 b sounds thin, pale,weak. Even though I worked on it still, you hit certain limits.
Instruments like Revolution or Jomox are stellar, like PRS guitar or Steinway, so you start with full, fat, rich sound and can build on it, with cheapo digital hardware it is reversed you have to work to enhance it

dbolt · Post by **dbolt** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:21 pm

when I recorded some of that stuff.....hard to make it sound good, the software's are so high resolution these days that the 16 b sounds thin, pale, weak. Even though I worked on it still, you hit certain limits.
Instruments like Revolution or Jomox are stellar, like PRS guitar or Steinway, so you start with full, fat, rich sound and can build on it, with cheapo digital hardware it is reversed you have to work to enhance it

Good point. I like the concept behind the MX decent samples and decent synth parts and the ARP grabbed my attention. I like all the knobs as well, but just doesn't quite do it for me. When I order the MAchinedrum and the JoMoX and compare the three also I will be comparing the ER1 mk2, then I will be able to get a big picture of what I'm looking for.

I was playing around with Sinebeat 2 in Reaktor 5 and was getting some similar MAchinedrum sounds can anyone concur this comparison.