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i,m not scared

hoffman2k wrote:Yeah. why weren't those planes intercepted?

Don't the americans have project "star wars" from the cold war? (sorry, almost impossible to find a relevant link )

To shoot down stuff that violates US airspace.
An imaginary shield....

Because we cannot use our military (i.e. the airforce) on our domestic soil without permission that usually requires a process (i.e. like what happened in Hurricane Katrina where the governor has to give explicit permission - well, technically speaking, has to cede control of the state to federal executive branch oversight - to let that occur.

Everything that happened during 9/11 happened too fast. We didn't know what the extent of the plot was and by then.... too late. They won that round.

Not a conspiracy - just timing and rules and all that. You know, normal SANE stuff to consider.

lol

rob.

robtronik wrote:

hoffman2k wrote:Yeah. why weren't those planes intercepted?

Don't the americans have project "star wars" from the cold war? (sorry, almost impossible to find a relevant link )

To shoot down stuff that violates US airspace.
An imaginary shield....

Because we cannot use our military (i.e. the airforce) on our domestic soil without permission that usually requires a process (i.e. like what happened in Hurricane Katrina where the governor has to give explicit permission - well, technically speaking, has to cede control of the state to federal executive branch oversight - to let that occur.

Everything that happened during 9/11 happened too fast. We didn't know what the extent of the plot was and by then.... too late. They won that round.

Not a conspiracy - just timing and rules and all that. You know, normal SANE stuff to consider.

lol

rob.

Tim e to wake up

jamief wrote:i,m not scared

See thats what the desired effect is

jamief wrote:

robtronik wrote:

hoffman2k wrote:Yeah. why weren't those planes intercepted?

Don't the americans have project "star wars" from the cold war? (sorry, almost impossible to find a relevant link )

To shoot down stuff that violates US airspace.
An imaginary shield....

Because we cannot use our military (i.e. the airforce) on our domestic soil without permission that usually requires a process (i.e. like what happened in Hurricane Katrina where the governor has to give explicit permission - well, technically speaking, has to cede control of the state to federal executive branch oversight - to let that occur.

Everything that happened during 9/11 happened too fast. We didn't know what the extent of the plot was and by then.... too late. They won that round.

Not a conspiracy - just timing and rules and all that. You know, normal SANE stuff to consider.

lol

rob.

Tim e to wake up

Well yeah. It's all relative. It happened too fast, yet Condi had a report about it in august 2001.

Inregularity's, conspiracy's, truth......
Call it what you want.
Some things just don't add up.

It's fun though. to see all these debunked theory's getting debunked by a load of debunkers...

pilcrow wrote: Following are some of the numerous eyewitness accounts of the Pentagon crash:

* James Cissell: "I saw this plane coming in and it was low - and getting lower. ... Then I saw the faces of some of the passengers on board."

* William Lagasse: "It was close enough that I could see the windows and the blinds had been pulled down. I read American Airlines on it. ... I saw the aircraft above my head about 80 feet above the ground."

Did you even read those so called eyewitness accounts?

Just that these two contradict each other.

Maybe the nay sayers work for the fbi or similiar ?
Do you guys ?

robtronik wrote:

hoffman2k wrote:Yeah. why weren't those planes intercepted?

Don't the americans have project "star wars" from the cold war? (sorry, almost impossible to find a relevant link )

To shoot down stuff that violates US airspace.
An imaginary shield....

Because we cannot use our military (i.e. the airforce) on our domestic soil without permission that usually requires a process (i.e. like what happened in Hurricane Katrina where the governor has to give explicit permission - well, technically speaking, has to cede control of the state to federal executive branch oversight - to let that occur.

Everything that happened during 9/11 happened too fast. We didn't know what the extent of the plot was and by then.... too late. They won that round.

Not a conspiracy - just timing and rules and all that. You know, normal SANE stuff to consider.

lol

rob.

well with a timespan of an hour & a half Id say there was ample time to sort something out. We even saw the president being told about it, now im guessing he could've used that 20mins he wasted by getting a plan of action together for his country, not sit there & read a book upside down.

too fast - what kind of time span is ample for them to scramble a few planes?

jamief wrote:

robtronik wrote:

hoffman2k wrote:Yeah. why weren't those planes intercepted?

Don't the americans have project "star wars" from the cold war? (sorry, almost impossible to find a relevant link )

To shoot down stuff that violates US airspace.
An imaginary shield....

Because we cannot use our military (i.e. the airforce) on our domestic soil without permission that usually requires a process (i.e. like what happened in Hurricane Katrina where the governor has to give explicit permission - well, technically speaking, has to cede control of the state to federal executive branch oversight - to let that occur.

Everything that happened during 9/11 happened too fast. We didn't know what the extent of the plot was and by then.... too late. They won that round.

Not a conspiracy - just timing and rules and all that. You know, normal SANE stuff to consider.

lol

rob.

Tim e to wake up

with all due respect, this is a fact. I would ask you to do your research on this so you can understand how "response" occurs with something like this.

Do you guys honestly believe that the U.S. military, unprepared for the attack, could sort the airline carrier that was part of the attack? Would they just shoot down any plane that looked like it was deviating from flight plan? How do you determine?

who coordinates between finding which planes are responding to queries from air traffic control and the military?

etc. etc. You guys are on crack if you think that kind of organization can occur ON THE FLY in real time and respond to a needle in the haystack. Remember, all of you are operating in HINDSIGHT not during the crisis with no warning.

Please. Put the pipes down and think about what you are claiming is realistically possible on those short hours that we were attacked. Any of you ever worked for a large corporation? Right, then. You should know what I'm talking about.

rob.

glitchrock-buddha wrote:I think the fact that Larry Silverstein said on National TV that they decided to pull it, is pretty glaring, given that the official report said that it was fire damage internally ignited under ground which caused it to fail. Nothing about pulling.

That right there shows a serious obvious error in the report which could not have been a mistake. Larry Silverstein just would not have said he gave the ok to pull the building, if really it had just fallen down on it's own.

I don't know how people who believe the official story can ignore these questions...

I'm working in an 18 story building in Manhattan was I type this. Could our landlord decide to "pull" our building? Since when is it an option to "pull" a building? That implies the building was wired with explosives by experts, and the decision to "pull" could be made at any time. Unless you think these experts decided to move into this burning building with live explosives and install them that afternoon. Or perhaps you think that the building just happened to implode with a surgically precise drop.

I don't like to rant about this stuff too much... and I won't... but this smells like shit to me.

Interception doesn't mean shooting the airccraft down.

Any aircraft which ignores requests from the tower for more than about 5 minutes (OK, I can't remember the exact time, but it's pretty damn quick) is flagged as suspect and the air force is notified. Interceptions of such aircraft is pretty common practice, let alone when there are sudden changes in flight path, transponders are turned off, they are flying towards resticted airspace (Washington), or when other planes start crashing into buildings.

Also, none of the pilots apparently managed to hit the hijack alarm, which as well as being on the consol, is also on the control yoke.

It's posible that procedures which have worked for decades turned into a complete farce on the day of the attack, I don't know. But if Al Quieda did it without help from someone, they got very lucky.

What annoys me is that when I mention any of these things to people (including a lot of my friends), I'm instantly branded crazy conspiracy bloke.

your points are worth consideration as to why any current processes didn't work effectively if they were set for this type of response.

But it is a FAR FAR FAR leap to crazy land when it is suggested that the U.S. Gov't. was complicit and helped in the planning of the attacks.

Its both sad and funny that there are people who's FIRST conclusion about the sad events on 9/11 are of a conspiratorial nature that implicates the U.S. Government across the board (military, executive branch, local and city officials, etc.)

rob.

It's all good entertainment, though!

robtronik wrote:your points are worth consideration as to why any current processes didn't work effectively if they were set for this type of response.

But it is a FAR FAR FAR leap to crazy land when it is suggested that the U.S. Gov't. was complicit and helped in the planning of the attacks.

Its both sad and funny that there are people who's FIRST conclusion about the sad events on 9/11 are of a conspiratorial nature that implicates the U.S. Government across the board (military, executive branch, local and city officials, etc.)

rob.

I only started looking into it after reading previous threads. Then I realised there are indead a lot of unanswered questions. Obviously there's no proof, just a lot of strange circumstances.

I'm actually not convienced of a conspiracy at the moment. But if there was one, I doubt it would include explosive in the twin towers or anything like that. Too easy to trace back to the people behind it, if it goes wrong.

It would only take a small group of people who knew of an incoming attack, to throw a couple of spanners in the works, plant some false evidence, etc. I wouldn't say it's that crazy an idea, there's some pretty devious and cold hearted people out there.

Did bad eggs in the US govenment allow it happen? I have no idea.
Would I put it past some of them? Sadly no.

People on both sides of the argument would do well to keep an open mind and not dismiss evidence which doesn't fit their own views. That wasn't aimed at you, Rob. Just a general comment.

the first tower was hit at 8:46 am. the second tower was hit 16 minutes later at 9:02. i can understand why the air force would not have wanted to shoot down the second hijacked airliner to splatter all over new york city.

the pentagon was hit at 9:37. 51 minutes after the first attack!!!!!
we are talking about THE PENTAGON. the CENTER of the greatest military EVER in human civilization.

the F16 fighters were well aware that the third hijacked airline was headed straight for washington DC.

they did not intercept.

WHY?